EBNOM official discussion thread

[Megas Methuselah]

Call me a pessimist but I think this will stay in the idea phase.

Yeah, same thoughts.

[Hax]

171 BC eh? How about the Yuezhi? How about the Indo-Greeks? How about Media Atropatene? There were immensely interesting things happening in the East at that time!

I'm really busy with EB II, DotS and school at the moment, so I won't have any time to help at all until July, but if this project is still alive by then, I'll try and find something to do. Gotcha.

- Hax

[Fluvius Camillus]

171 BC eh? How about the Yuezhi? How about the Indo-Greeks? How about Media Atropatene? There were immensely interesting things happening in the East at that time!

I'm really busy with EB II, DotS and school at the moment, so I won't have any time to help at all until July, but if this project is still alive by then, I'll try and find something to do. Gotcha.

- Hax

Lol I know, it was just a starting idea, I did this out of the top of my head and since the Hellenistic, Romani and Eastern factions are my prime interests I could do those out of the top of my head (I got the ages of the persons from wiki though), I'll check some more and keep you posted, along with my suggestion B.

Help appreaciated, you are quite skilled in the middle eastern area because of ATB, so we can use you.

But wait? Who is we? Is this actually going to happen and am I in the team?

Edit, my use for this project (if it happens):

18 years old, studies business in Leeuwarden, the Netherlands. Likes history, especially Romans, Hellenes and Eastern (pre Islam) states.

EB bibliography books I have currently read:
Soldiers and Ghosts - J.E. Lendon
The Hellenistic Age - Peter Green
Thundering Zeus - Frank Holt
Mithridates the Great - Philip Matyszak
A history of the Ptolemaic Empire - Günther Hölbl (currently halfway reading).

I then have another 25 books of the EB bibliography in my bookshelf which I can always access for info.
Near my school in Leeuwarden is also a historical library, with plenty of history books. Not member yet but I am planning to.

Basic modding skills (changing .txt files, changing faction symbols, faction colours).
I have adobe photoshop 6.0

And lastly, I think people can enjoy these:

Extremely useful maps (IMHO):

http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/maps.html

And for the ones that know Dutch:
Mijn profielwerkstuk geeft een goede tijdlijn van Rome weer, kan handig zijn.

~Fluvius

[Macilrille]

62 BC the Gauls invite Ariovistus in to help one side in their civil war, which later makes Caesar pop by for a visit and the Res Publica Romana fall...

The Suebi would be strong at this point, but here or pretty soon after, though perhaps more under the pressure from Rome, the Cherusci and their allies become a power. Likely this was more a question of unification as a result of war. An early example of the simplified "States make war- war makes states" phenomenon. The Boii and Dacians/Getai would still be around, though the Boii in gradual decline and eventually gets taken over by the Markomanni.

Or you could choose slightly before with Rome in civil war and Mithridates still alive and kicking.

[Fluvius Camillus]

62 BC the Gauls invite Ariovistus in to help one side in their civil war, which later makes Caesar pop by for a visit and the Res Publica Romana fall...

The Suebi would be strong at this point, but here or pretty soon after, though perhaps more under the pressure from Rome, the Cherusci and their allies become a power. Likely this was more a question of unification as a result of war. An early example of the simplified "States make war- war makes states" phenomenon. The Boii and Dacians/Getai would still be around, though the Boii in gradual decline and eventually gets taken over by the Markomanni.

Or you could choose slightly before with Rome in civil war and Mithridates still alive and kicking.

That was gonna be my second suggestion, it could also be with the Spartacus emerging faction. But then we would have 2 Hellenistic states so weak beyond recovery, presenting no challenge at all. Well I'll get on it later today.

~Fluvius

[anubis88]

Hm... It's nice to see ideas flowing in...

As i said, i have no idea how we could represent the Roman Civil wars during this time, not to mention Spartacus's uprising or the social war; not to mention we would have to have 3 GIANT civil wars; Sulla - Marius, Ceasar - Pompey, Octavian - Antony.

I know the principate might not seem that interesting at first view, but believe me, the age is really fascinating; + it would give a unique experience to any one of us

@Macilrille
It seems that you have a lot of knowledge about Germania; do you agree that such a mod should include: the Cherusci, Suebi, Marcomanni, and Quadi? or do you have any other suggestions?

@Fluvius - Even at the start of the Principate, we could have a lot of Easter factions, even though some of the would be close allies of Rome or Parthia... Perhaps Armenia could rise again? Or Capadocia coming finaly out of the Shadows of Pontos? Even the Cimmerian Bosphorus was a regional power, albeit closely allied to Rome.

@Hax - your input would be always appreciated; perhaps we could in the future even exchange troops that you guys would make for ATB?

[Macilrille]

Depends what time it is. But up until about the Marcomannic wars or thereabouts the Marcomanni were part of the Suebi. The arminus vs Marbod struggle can be understood as the Cherusci and the Suebi fighting for preeminence amongst the German tribes (with some Suebi tribes choosing instead the call of Arminus while some Cherusci subtribes follow the Suebi), while the Quadi only became relevant fairly late. There are also the Goths and Cimbrii, which were powerful parts/tribes of the Suebi confederation. But it definately depends on when and in how much detail you wish to go.

Edited to add; there were enough warring tribes in Germania to fill out all faction slots should one wish to go in detail with them.