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[Macilrille]

Depends what time it is. But up until about the Marcomannic wars or thereabouts the Marcomanni were part of the Suebi. The arminus vs Marbod struggle can be understood as the Cherusci and the Suebi fighting for preeminence amongst the German tribes (with some Suebi tribes choosing instead the call of Arminus while some Cherusci subtribes follow the Suebi), while the Quadi only became relevant fairly late. There are also the Goths and Cimbrii, which were powerful parts/tribes of the Suebi confederation. But it definately depends on when and in how much detail you wish to go.

Edited to add; there were enough warring tribes in Germania to fill out all faction slots should one wish to go in detail with them.

[artaxerxes]

I would LOVE to play as AS in the 171 BC idea - I mean, Antiochus IV was one of the last (save A. VII Sidetes) able Seleucid kings and this is right at the moment when the AS really begin their decline. Trying to avoid this would be a cool game ;D

[Morte66]

One of my bigger problems/issues with EB is that if you play any faction in the eastern half, your game is almost guaranteed to be mostly about "how I dealt with the huge Seleucid Empire, their vast armies and territories". This was fun once or twice, but it has come to be a bit of a grind. Or if you actually play the AS, you get a game where corruption/morale penalties are a bigger challenge than your enemies. Ignoring history and considering EB purely as a game for a moment, it would be better without them (which may explain a thing or two about vanilla).

So I've wondered if a later start date, i.e. after they've declined a bit, would ameliorate that. But it seems to me that if you wait long enough for Seleucia to decline you just get the same problem with Rome in the west instead of Seleucia in the east. So you have to wait a really long time, until there are Eastern and Western Roman Empires, to get a map that's notably better for actual play.

[anubis88]

Depends what time it is. But up until about the Marcomannic wars or thereabouts the Marcomanni were part of the Suebi. The arminus vs Marbod struggle can be understood as the Cherusci and the Suebi fighting for preeminence amongst the German tribes (with some Suebi tribes choosing instead the call of Arminus while some Cherusci subtribes follow the Suebi), while the Quadi only became relevant fairly late. There are also the Goths and Cimbrii, which were powerful parts/tribes of the Suebi confederation. But it definately depends on when and in how much detail you wish to go.

Edited to add; there were enough warring tribes in Germania to fill out all faction slots should one wish to go in detail with them.

So you would say that Marobodus was part of the Suebi? Interesting; i always read of him being the Great Marcommanic King. Well the historical picture of Germania was extremly interesting IMO, And the struggle of those tribes against Rome and each other would be great.
The German tribes gave a real beating to Rome many times durign the Principate, and it would be great to play with them.

I would guess you could indeed help a lot if this mod was to start...

[anubis88]

Sorry double post...
Also the start of at the start of the Principate we could have the exact possition of the Roman Legions on the map, since we know most of their camps at the time

EDIT: I will try to make a WIP map for 27 BC, just to see how the world would look like on an EB map;

If you have any time, try doing this for other periods

Here's the first impression of the territories of Rome and others in 27 Bc; of course, it's just a glimpse
Note:
Darker Red - Areas for which i'm not sure were under direct control from Rome

https://img707.imageshack.us/i/romans2.gif/

[Macilrille]

Well, it is important to understand that the Suebi and the Suebi are not the same thing ;-)

As far as I can ascertain.

The Suebi was a Germanic tribe with subtribes.
The Suebi at large was a tribal alliance/confederation... whatever, of many tribes listed as Suebi by ancient authors and many of them with common material culture. Both the marcommani, Goths and Cimbrii were listed as Suebi tribes.

I cannot say whether I will be able to help with the mod if one ever comes to be actually made, will PM you.

But yes, the situation in Germania was very interesting (and volatile) another idea could be to make a Germania TW mod dealing with that- barbarorum to the limit ;-)

[Fluvius Camillus]

I've taken the liberty to make a team sig.

It's just a test, I can always make the background look much better!

So what is the first thing to improve.



Well it is quite long..

~Fluvius

[anubis88]

Well, it is important to understand that the Suebi and the Suebi are not the same thing ;-)

As far as I can ascertain.

The Suebi was a Germanic tribe with subtribes.
The Suebi at large was a tribal alliance/confederation... whatever, of many tribes listed as Suebi by ancient authors and many of them with common material culture. Both the marcommani, Goths and Cimbrii were listed as Suebi tribes.

I cannot say whether I will be able to help with the mod if one ever comes to be actually made, will PM you.

But yes, the situation in Germania was very interesting (and volatile) another idea could be to make a Germania TW mod dealing with that- barbarorum to the limit ;-)

I hope you will find it interesting to join in the mod if one starts, i think your knowledge could be indispensible.

P.S- could anyone give me a suggestion how to make a spoiler of the picture of my map? It's too large for a non - spoilered picture, so i have to have a link, but it's probably not as flashy

[Connacht]

I suggest these:

Winter 218 BC

Banally, the dawn of the Second Punic War, the factions would be the same except for the Epeirotes... maybe Pergamon insted of the teal kingdom?

at around 190 BC

The struggle between Rome and the Seleucid empire for Greece, I'd really like to change history and conquer the Mediterranean basin with the grey death after Magnesia.
Macedon is a nut between the hammer and the anvil, unless a skillful player should take advantage of the clash of these two super-powers.
A long time ago defeated Carthage might take the opportunity to claim revenge for the Second Punic War, or try to survive the expansion of Rome.
The Parthians should follow their historical path or even push their limits beyond the Euphrates.

Somewhere from 70 a.C. to 50 BC

This campaign should give to the player the possibility to replay the wars of Caesar in Gaul and Pompeius in the East, or try to change history with their rivals, maybe an outstanding Gaul that conquers central Europe or a victorious Pontus that unifies the Anatolian peninsula.
We could even choose to create two allied roman factions and script the break of the civil war (well, you might think that it would be too Romano-centric... but in this period Rome is overwhelming the Mediterranean basin, so it is still the principal and most important power of those years).
Qart'hadast, Lusotannan, Makedonia, Epeiros and Baktria might be replaced by the Belgae, the Kingdom of Judea, the Yuezhi and the suggested second Roman faction.

[Hax]

I've created a WIP map of 171 BC. It includes these factions

BARBARIAN
1) Sweboz
2) Arverni
3) Aedui
4) Cantabri
5) Getai

ROMAN
6) Senatus populusque Romanus

WESTERN_GREEK
7) Makedonia
8) Koinon tes Achaion (Achaean League of Thermon, Korinthos and Krete)
9) Pergamon

EASTERN_GREEK
10) Arche Seleukeia
11) Ptolemaioi
12) Baktria

EASTERN
13) Pahlava
14) Pontos
15) Hayastan

NOMAD
16) Yuezhi
17) Sauromatae

SEMITIC
18) Nabataea
19) Kart-Hadast
20) Massylia (Numidia)

21) Rebels

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

EDIT: Wrong map again?

Things I don't like:

- No Saba
- No Boii
- No (Indo-)Sakae


I think not having the Saba really isn't a problem. The only faction that would get there is Nabataea. We can set them as their faction creator. I would really love to see the Boii, perhaps we can switch the Getai for the Boii? And the lack of the Sakae really really bugs me. I had the Bosporan Kingdom in there as well, but I gave their provinces to Pontos, because of their continuous alliance. Tell me what you think.

[Cute Wolf]

Get rid of the Koinon, as Spartans is no more!!! Made the Indo Saka available

[Fluvius Camillus]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I've created a WIP map of 171 BC. It includes these factions

BARBARIAN
1) Sweboz
2) Arverni
3) Aedui
4) Cantabri
5) Getai

ROMAN
6) Senatus populusque Romanus

WESTERN_GREEK
7) Makedonia
8) Koinon tes Achaion (Achaean League of Thermon, Korinthos and Krete)
9) Pergamon

EASTERN_GREEK
10) Arche Seleukeia
11) Ptolemaioi
12) Baktria

EASTERN
13) Pahlava
14) Pontos
15) Hayastan

NOMAD
16) Yuezhi
17) Sauromatae

SEMITIC
18) Nabataea
19) Kart-Hadast
20) Massylia (Numidia)

21) Rebels

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

EDIT: Wrong map again?

Things I don't like:

- No Saba
- No Boii
- No (Indo-)Sakae


I think not having the Saba really isn't a problem. The only faction that would get there is Nabataea. We can set them as their faction creator. I would really love to see the Boii, perhaps we can switch the Getai for the Boii? And the lack of the Sakae really really bugs me. I had the Bosporan Kingdom in there as well, but I gave their provinces to Pontos, because of their continuous alliance. Tell me what you think.

Ok thanks for helping I however have some points:

Rome at this time does not rule the majority of Iberia. And from 154 to 133BC, the romans face the Lusitanian Viriathus, a cunning enemy of the Romans. This is exactly the time that EB's Lusotanian faction came into the spotlight of history. Lusotanians or Lusotanian confederacy would be a good factions here (the Lusitanians in this war were allied with the Celtiberians), So they should be used instead of the Cantabri.

I was busy with painting a map but I can only find maps of 200BC and 150 BC, in these years much changes, for examples in the easter part of the Seleukid empire.

I tried to continue my WIP map, but for some reason, which really makes me angry, paint suddenly won't use the paint bucket. It worked at first, a handy way to color the provinces, but now when I click to color a province, nothing happens. Edit: Something happened with the pixels, the paint bucket only colours per pixel instead of per area now, weird.

~Fluvius

[gamegeek2]

We should post our reasoning for 80 BC

-Rome is the major Mediterranean superpower, but the Empire is far from complete
-Ongoing conflict between Rome, Pontus, and Armenia
-Famous historical characters such as Pompey, Caesar, Sulla, Cicero, Crassus, and more for Rome; excellent roleplaying opportunities
-Mithradates VI for Pontus and Tigranes the Great for Armenia
-Vercingetorix for the Arverni (though only 2 years old)
-Nabatu are in their golden age; Hasmoneans are alive and kicking
-Parthia is a major power
-Axum is getting started (if included)
-Indo-Saka are getting started

[Cute Wolf]

good... ^^

[DeathFinger]

- Indo-Saka are a big deal under Maues
- Indo-Greek kingdom still exists under a certain Hermaios in the Paropamisadai, so interesting conflict between both.
- Yuezhei of Baktria/Sogdiana divided between 5 yabghu, but playing the "Guishuang" one to unit all of those and creat the Koushan kingdom would be fun I think.

[anubis88]

We should post our reasoning for 80 BC

-Rome is the major Mediterranean superpower, but the Empire is far from complete
-Ongoing conflict between Rome, Pontus, and Armenia
-Famous historical characters such as Pompey, Caesar, Sulla, Cicero, Crassus, and more for Rome; excellent roleplaying opportunities
-Mithradates VI for Pontus and Tigranes the Great for Armenia
-Vercingetorix for the Arverni (though only 2 years old)
-Nabatu are in their golden age; Hasmoneans are alive and kicking
-Parthia is a major power
-Axum is getting started (if included)
-Indo-Saka are getting started

And...

- Burebista is King of the Getai... The strongest king until Decebalus
- Spain is a war-zone, with strongen northen tribes and a newly formulated Roman state lead by Quintus Sertorius
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