SPQR? Who?

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

I think we're all forgetting about the Germanic tribes. They, under warlords like Ariovistus, made devastating assaults into Gaul that were only stopped by the huge Roman armies... If Caesar hadn't been there to stop him, maybe Ariovistus or another warlord could have created a powerful enough territory to unite many tribes under one banner. They would have been largely Celticized, rather than Romanized as in history. Of course someone else could have made some major incursions as well.

[jirisys]

I think we're all forgetting about the Germanic tribes. They, under warlords like Ariovistus, made devastating assaults into Gaul that were only stopped by the huge Roman armies... If Caesar hadn't been there to stop him, maybe Ariovistus or another warlord could have created a powerful enough territory to unite many tribes under one banner. They would have been largely Celticized, rather than Romanized as in history. Of course someone else could have made some major incursions as well.

That's preference (the celt wants the celts to rule the world)

anyway, we would have never existed (if rome were not to exist, the world would break into a million pieces... in one of them would be cute wolf)

~Jirisys (why not Jebvijetar too?)

[Jebivjetar]

Edit: my grammar is too bad X/

[jirisys]

Edit: my grammar is too bad X/

haha i read the whole thing, you can also say that to persia, mongolia, china, USA (i hate those ********) and the makedonians too (diadochi anyone ), the celts etc... besides, the romans were not so adept on "Romanizing the culture" just everything else (besides religion) they were not that many cultural destructors

~Jirisys (romaio barbaroi (it means foreign romans))

[stratigos vasilios]

Not sure if I'm looking too far ahead, but if there was no SPQR it would be interesting as to which state or kingdom would rise to become a colonial super power in the later eras. Ie. With no Roman influence the UK and possibly even France wouldn't have been innovative and powerful enough to start building colonies around the world. I guess the same could be said for Spain and Portugal? (this is quite a supeficial view point).

I'm guessing that Carthage would have grown significantly as it would have been (majorly) unopposed but who is to say that thier holdings in Iberia would have generated another empire, a Carthago-Iberian one which would rise up and oppose Carthage? Or even another city in Carthage becoming its own empire and fighting Carthage? Much like Macedonia and Southern Hellenes fighting one another, as I believe Macedonian Greeks were southerners that migrated north? (please correct me if I am wrong here).

[satalexton]

Makedones are Doric Greeks, the same stock as the Spartans basically.