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i personally believe it shouldnt matter how the woman u marry looks like or what race she is from... its supposed to be about love and character. ofcourse u should be attracted to her (atleast in the start :P) but u wont stick unless there is something between u that glues u together.
i personally believe it shouldnt matter how the woman u marry looks like or what race she is from... its supposed to be about love and character. ofcourse u should be attracted to her (atleast in the start :P) but u wont stick unless there is something between u that glues u together.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
I change my vote, I want to marry Beskar.
No way, sweetie-pie. I change my vote, I want to marry Beskar.
I'm not getting a divorce.
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
The lovely 'Mrs Asai' is of South American origin.
So that would make her a white european then.The lovely 'Mrs Asai' is of South American origin.
....And you are...?
Originally Posted by drone:
No problem. Do you smoke cigars?
No cigars here, just wanted to point out Psychology has moved on a little since then. No problem. Do you smoke cigars?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
So that would make her a white european then.
....And you are...?
So that would make her a white european then.
....And you are...?
hmmmmmmmm, if she is upper class or from the Southern Cone you'd be right but considering a large portion of South Americans are Native, black, or mixed you're probably wrong
Originally Posted by :
No way, sweetie-pie.
I'm not getting a divorce.
Que?No way, sweetie-pie.
I'm not getting a divorce.
We can just enter a Gay polygamus marrige. Seeing as we're all consenting adults and we are not harming anyone elses liberty; I fail to see why that would be a problem.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
No cigars here, just wanted to point out Psychology has moved on a little since then.
Somewhat, but your relationship with your parents do have a big impact on what you look for later on in life. How they interact with each other affects how you will interact with your partner. A culture where the male/female roles are drastically different may lead to subconscious incompatibilities that prevent a relationship from progressing.No cigars here, just wanted to point out Psychology has moved on a little since then.
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
I don't think I really need to explain how not to commit crimes and how to treat women with respect, do I? Common sense stuff, here.
When you grow up in a certain way of life, you'll emulate it. In that way, such things are intergenerational, and won't stop happening because you say it's wrong and that such things must stop. I don't think I really need to explain how not to commit crimes and how to treat women with respect, do I? Common sense stuff, here.
Very nice solution you got there. "Common sense," yeah, that's right. I wonder why things like these are still goin on, then? Not everyone has the gift of living the sheltered life you enjoy.
Originally Posted by SFTS:
but considering a large portion of South Americans are Native, black, or mixed you're probably wrong
Yeah, South America is a lot better off in that respect than the North, our "Little Europe."but considering a large portion of South Americans are Native, black, or mixed you're probably wrong
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
So that would make her a white european then.
....And you are...?
Not sure I understand the question fully - it's very much open to interpretation (and I do have a tendency to be rather paranoid) so please do elaborate somewhat.So that would make her a white european then.
....And you are...?
Originally Posted by :
Yeah, South America is a lot better off in that respect than the North, our "Little Europe."
Yeah, South America is a lot better off in that respect than the North, our "Little Europe."
Hey, there's nothin wrong with livin in a colonial society. You, above all people, know that.
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah:
Hey, there's nothin wrong with livin in a colonial society. You, above all people, know that.
It must take work to be this bitterHey, there's nothin wrong with livin in a colonial society. You, above all people, know that.
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah:
When you grow up in a certain way of life, you'll emulate it. In that way, such things are intergenerational, and won't stop happening because you say it's wrong and that such things must stop.
Very nice solution you got there. "Common sense," yeah, that's right. I wonder why things like these are still goin on, then? Not everyone has the gift of living the sheltered life you enjoy.
A time-honored excuse, which, unless you're trying to argue that these people are unaware of the laws of the land and of common decency, is not really an excuse at all.When you grow up in a certain way of life, you'll emulate it. In that way, such things are intergenerational, and won't stop happening because you say it's wrong and that such things must stop.
Very nice solution you got there. "Common sense," yeah, that's right. I wonder why things like these are still goin on, then? Not everyone has the gift of living the sheltered life you enjoy.
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
A time-honored excuse, which, unless you're trying to argue that these people are unaware of the laws of the land and of common decency, is not really an excuse at all.
There is a grain of truth to the statement though, however I agree that elements of the urban culture lead to this sort of thing and it's one of the reasons why Latinos are generally much more distrustworthy of blacks and see more in common with whites despite the fact that latins and blacks parllel eachothers exsistence in most cases. A time-honored excuse, which, unless you're trying to argue that these people are unaware of the laws of the land and of common decency, is not really an excuse at all.
What it comes down to is A strong emphasis on the family in the Latin community and the startiling abscence of one in the black community.
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
A time-honored excuse, which, unless you're trying to argue that these people are unaware of the laws of the land and of common decency, is not really an excuse at all.
the common decency you refer to is not at all that common, nor at all has it been that decent for a long time.A time-honored excuse, which, unless you're trying to argue that these people are unaware of the laws of the land and of common decency, is not really an excuse at all.
I feel like I should expand on my last post.
I subscribe to the fact that ascrbing people inate advantages and disadvantages due to the amount melinan in there skin is completley ludacris.
As should be pointed out African immagrants achieve some of the highest sucsses in America, so clearly I do not mean to pigeonhole all blacks. Nor do I not recognize blacks who were born here who do not acheive greatness.
However as a whole Blacks tend to do worse than any other ethnic group and the main reason for that is the break up of the family (A fact which is only becooming more clear with more hispanics moving in)
The main reasons for the dengenration of the black family are as follows (IMO)
-Lack of a father figure (which has become a self repeating cycle)
-Prison time and high amounts of recidivism
-An urban culture which appeals to a mostly black auidence which in turn reinforces the above two points.
Now how are we to change these things? I dont have a comprehensive answer, I feel a great deal of good could be done by fixing the school system and giving the kids a hobby that is theres and that they can make progress in.
If you teach a boy to throw a baseball, he will be much less likely to throw a rock.
Unfortunatley this is eaiser said than done, As I frimly beilive there is money to be made in the black vicitm complex that grew out of the (completely needed and legit) 60s civil rights movement. We have moved past that stage and need new soultions for where we are at today but the power structure in allot of African American communites is still domanited by men who see things through a 60s world view
Edit: I also realize as a white man who grew up in a Hispanic town, I am probably painting with a broad brush and overlooking some sensestive issues. but you do what you can.
I subscribe to the fact that ascrbing people inate advantages and disadvantages due to the amount melinan in there skin is completley ludacris.
As should be pointed out African immagrants achieve some of the highest sucsses in America, so clearly I do not mean to pigeonhole all blacks. Nor do I not recognize blacks who were born here who do not acheive greatness.
However as a whole Blacks tend to do worse than any other ethnic group and the main reason for that is the break up of the family (A fact which is only becooming more clear with more hispanics moving in)
The main reasons for the dengenration of the black family are as follows (IMO)
-Lack of a father figure (which has become a self repeating cycle)
-Prison time and high amounts of recidivism
-An urban culture which appeals to a mostly black auidence which in turn reinforces the above two points.
Now how are we to change these things? I dont have a comprehensive answer, I feel a great deal of good could be done by fixing the school system and giving the kids a hobby that is theres and that they can make progress in.
If you teach a boy to throw a baseball, he will be much less likely to throw a rock.
Unfortunatley this is eaiser said than done, As I frimly beilive there is money to be made in the black vicitm complex that grew out of the (completely needed and legit) 60s civil rights movement. We have moved past that stage and need new soultions for where we are at today but the power structure in allot of African American communites is still domanited by men who see things through a 60s world view
Edit: I also realize as a white man who grew up in a Hispanic town, I am probably painting with a broad brush and overlooking some sensestive issues. but you do what you can.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
There is a grain of truth to the statement though, however I agree that elements of the urban culture lead to this sort of thing and it's one of the reasons why Latinos are generally much more distrustworthy of blacks and see more in common with whites despite the fact that latins and blacks parllel eachothers exsistence in most cases.
What it comes down to is A strong emphasis on the family in the Latin community and the startiling abscence of one in the black community.
african american community. plz. you go to africa and you will see that there is no lack of family empathy there. it is cultural thing, not a racial thing. in holland the emphasis is also more at the individual than the family, but this does not make it so for all white people around the world.There is a grain of truth to the statement though, however I agree that elements of the urban culture lead to this sort of thing and it's one of the reasons why Latinos are generally much more distrustworthy of blacks and see more in common with whites despite the fact that latins and blacks parllel eachothers exsistence in most cases.
What it comes down to is A strong emphasis on the family in the Latin community and the startiling abscence of one in the black community.
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
african american community. plz. you go to africa and you will see that there is no lack of family empathy there. it is cultural thing, not a racial thing. in holland the emphasis is also more at the individual than the family, but this does not make it so for all white people around the world.
Yes it's clearly cultrual....I realize thatafrican american community. plz. you go to africa and you will see that there is no lack of family empathy there. it is cultural thing, not a racial thing. in holland the emphasis is also more at the individual than the family, but this does not make it so for all white people around the world.
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
the common decency you refer to is not at all that common, nor at all has it been that decent for a long time.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears you are implying that black culture in America is less advanced than other cultures and has not yet developed modern standards of common decency; and thus should be forgiven for its lawlessness and dysfunctional social structure. Is that the point you were making?the common decency you refer to is not at all that common, nor at all has it been that decent for a long time.
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears you are implying that black culture in America is less advanced than other cultures and has not yet developed modern standards of common decency; and thus should be forgiven for its lawlessness and dysfunctional social structure. Is that the point you were making?
I personally believe that many blacks in the US are still suffering from the shock of centuries of crime and abuse commited against them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears you are implying that black culture in America is less advanced than other cultures and has not yet developed modern standards of common decency; and thus should be forgiven for its lawlessness and dysfunctional social structure. Is that the point you were making?
As for hip hop culture, that is definitely not black culture. In my own case, we have our own culture to turn to in the struggle to stand up, and together with our treaty rights, it seems to be working. But it'll take generations to recover from a genocide that ran for centuries, and we will not heal overnight. I imagine that the blacks are going through this exact same process.
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah:
I personally believe that many blacks in the US are still suffering from the shock of centuries of crime and abuse commited against them.
As for hip hop culture, that is definitely not black culture. In my own case, we have our own culture to turn to in the struggle to stand up, and together with our treaty rights, it seems to be working. But it'll take generations to recover from a genocide that ran for centuries, and we will not heal overnight. I imagine that the blacks are going through this exact same process.
Not all blacks subscrube to it nor should they be expected to, however the ones that do subscribe to a culture that promotes misogyny, violence, and promiscuity.I personally believe that many blacks in the US are still suffering from the shock of centuries of crime and abuse commited against them.
As for hip hop culture, that is definitely not black culture. In my own case, we have our own culture to turn to in the struggle to stand up, and together with our treaty rights, it seems to be working. But it'll take generations to recover from a genocide that ran for centuries, and we will not heal overnight. I imagine that the blacks are going through this exact same process.
While your rant about the evil white man brings a tear to my ear, it is not even in the top 5 for reasons why blacks in America are lagging behind by almost every measurable parameter.
That is the biggest problem we are going to have to deal with if we want true progress. An acknowledgement of slavery is prudent but one cant simply look and say "oh that's the reason"
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
african american community. plz. you go to africa and you will see that there is no lack of family empathy there. it is cultural thing, not a racial thing. in holland the emphasis is also more at the individual than the family, but this does not make it so for all white people around the world.
That's why he said african american :pafrican american community. plz. you go to africa and you will see that there is no lack of family empathy there. it is cultural thing, not a racial thing. in holland the emphasis is also more at the individual than the family, but this does not make it so for all white people around the world.
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
why?
i personally believe it shouldnt matter how the woman u marry looks like or what race she is from... its supposed to be about love and character. ofcourse u should be attracted to her (atleast in the start :P) but u wont stick unless there is something between u that glues u together.
I personally believe it matters how the woman looks like or what race she is from.why?
i personally believe it shouldnt matter how the woman u marry looks like or what race she is from... its supposed to be about love and character. ofcourse u should be attracted to her (atleast in the start :P) but u wont stick unless there is something between u that glues u together.
Or do you argue that there are no white women I could love that has a fascinating character, so I am bound to go black (and never go back?).
OF COURSE looks or race is not the most important matter in a long relationship, but hey, the relationship wont even start if she is not smoking hot. And white. Get my point?
I do not get turned on by black women. I do not want brown children. If anyone else wants black girls and kids not looking like him, then by all means go ahed! It's just not my thing.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
Not all blacks subscrube to it nor should they be expected to, however the ones that do subscribe to a culture that promotes misogyny, violence, and promiscuity.
I agree, I agree, but just remember that hip hop was born in a ghetto, so I can still blame the historic evil white man for impoverishing the blacks. Not all blacks subscrube to it nor should they be expected to, however the ones that do subscribe to a culture that promotes misogyny, violence, and promiscuity.
On a more serious note, hip hop as a whole does not "subscribe to a culture that promotes misogyny, violence, and promiscuity" (nice statement), but for some strange reason, that particular branch of hip hop dominates the mainstream.
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah:
I agree, I agree, but just remember that hip hop was born in a ghetto, so I can still blame the historic evil white man for impoverishing the blacks.
On a more serious note, hip hop as a whole does not "subscribe to a culture that promotes misogyny, violence, and promiscuity" (nice statement), but for some strange reason, that particular branch of hip hop dominates the mainstream.
True, but the most popular kind does. For every one Common there are ten Soulja boys....and its not only the music, I would argue the music is more of a product of the urban street cultural which in turn was dissmanted throughout the rual south where it is now more of a "Life imatating art" thingI agree, I agree, but just remember that hip hop was born in a ghetto, so I can still blame the historic evil white man for impoverishing the blacks.
On a more serious note, hip hop as a whole does not "subscribe to a culture that promotes misogyny, violence, and promiscuity" (nice statement), but for some strange reason, that particular branch of hip hop dominates the mainstream.
I don't want to subscribe to much power to the music because I will come off sounding like an old man. I also want to make it quite clear that the music itself does not make someone do something or behave a certian way.
I do think however, how blacks are portrayed in the media is a huge problem and that you can blame on Americas need for stereotyping.
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
african american community. plz. you go to africa and you will see that there is no lack of family empathy there. it is cultural thing, not a racial thing. in holland the emphasis is also more at the individual than the family, but this does not make it so for all white people around the world.
Actually, it is more than the family, from what I have been led to believe as compared to Britain, especially when it comes to children.african american community. plz. you go to africa and you will see that there is no lack of family empathy there. it is cultural thing, not a racial thing. in holland the emphasis is also more at the individual than the family, but this does not make it so for all white people around the world.
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV:
If anyone else wants black girls and kids not looking like him, then by all means go ahed!
Not to flog the obvious horse, but unless you go through a South Korean cloning lab, your kids are not going to look like you. By definition. They're loaded up with 50% of somebody else's genome, the little traitors! Skin color is the least of it. What about teeth? Hair color? Foot size?If anyone else wants black girls and kids not looking like him, then by all means go ahed!
A focus on miscegenated children is strange and misguided.
Originally Posted by Lemur:
Not to flog the obvious horse, but unless you go through a South Korean cloning lab, your kids are not going to look like you. By definition. They're loaded up with 50% of somebody else's genome, the little traitors! Skin color is the least of it. What about teeth? Hair color? Foot size?
A focus on miscegenated children is strange and misguided.
Yes, tehy are loaded up with 50% of someone else's genome... Not to flog the obvious horse, but unless you go through a South Korean cloning lab, your kids are not going to look like you. By definition. They're loaded up with 50% of somebody else's genome, the little traitors! Skin color is the least of it. What about teeth? Hair color? Foot size?
A focus on miscegenated children is strange and misguided.
Would be sweet to have my daughter have my wifes nose and my chin...
Skin colour is quite another thing though!
And again, anyone who doesnt see that as a problem, go ahed. I just happen to do. Is that wrong? From my point of view it is a matter of personal appeal. Mind you, I am not saying it's WRONG to have sex between races (god knows I have). I don't even say it's wrong to have kids between races.
Again, if you like it, go with it. It's just.not.for.me.
@Strike I think we hit some common ground, man. Lucky for me, my people have a strong culture to embrace. I don't mean to sound racist or anything, but merely seek brush aside my ignorance: is hip hop the closest thing the blacks have to their own independant culture?
Or maybe just go tanning instead. Whatever.
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV:
I do not get turned on by black women. I do not want brown children. If anyone else wants black girls and kids not looking like him, then by all means go ahed! It's just not my thing.
My skin's a tad bit too pale. Too much Metis blood, see? Must purify my line with a real woman, a strong-willed, red-skinned beauty.I do not get turned on by black women. I do not want brown children. If anyone else wants black girls and kids not looking like him, then by all means go ahed! It's just not my thing.
Or maybe just go tanning instead. Whatever.
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah:
@Strike I think we hit some common ground, man. Lucky for me, my people have a strong culture to embrace. I don't mean to sound racist or anything, but merely seek brush aside my ignorance: is hip hop the closest thing the blacks have to their own independant culture?
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No and I don't want to make that impression. the big problems massive urban poverty combined with broken homes combined with an antiquated power strcuture which has out lived its usefullness. Blacks are all to often portrayed as entertainers or criminals in the media and that is also a problem. At a certain point life imitates art. @Strike I think we hit some common ground, man. Lucky for me, my people have a strong culture to embrace. I don't mean to sound racist or anything, but merely seek brush aside my ignorance: is hip hop the closest thing the blacks have to their own independant culture?
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Modern hip hop is simply music and has no more bearing on culture than Marylin Mansons hard rock.
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump:
I can't link to it here, and don't have time to read this whole thread, but:
The CDC, like 1 month ago, released some numbers that said 48% of black females have genital herpes. This may have something to do with the single-ness as well.
the numbers for the black men were much lower, very much in line with the rest of the population. The number for the females seemed so high, though I thought it was a misprint. so far, I am not aware of the CDC changing their results or saying it was a mistake
For our internet-challenged, DoD censored troops, a quick google is the least I can do.I can't link to it here, and don't have time to read this whole thread, but:
The CDC, like 1 month ago, released some numbers that said 48% of black females have genital herpes. This may have something to do with the single-ness as well.
the numbers for the black men were much lower, very much in line with the rest of the population. The number for the females seemed so high, though I thought it was a misprint. so far, I am not aware of the CDC changing their results or saying it was a mistake
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/...ssrelease.html
Originally Posted by Centers Of Disease Control:
About 1 in 6 Americans (16.2 percent) between the ages of 14 and 49 is infected with herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2), according to a national health survey released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. HSV-2 is a lifelong and incurable infection that can cause recurrent and painful genital sores.
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The study finds that women and blacks were most likely to be infected. HSV-2 prevalence was nearly twice as high among women (20.9 percent) than men (11.5 percent), and was more than three times higher among blacks (39.2 percent) than whites (12.3 percent). The most affected group was black women, with a prevalence rate of 48 percent.
Yikes. About 1 in 6 Americans (16.2 percent) between the ages of 14 and 49 is infected with herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2), according to a national health survey released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. HSV-2 is a lifelong and incurable infection that can cause recurrent and painful genital sores.
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The study finds that women and blacks were most likely to be infected. HSV-2 prevalence was nearly twice as high among women (20.9 percent) than men (11.5 percent), and was more than three times higher among blacks (39.2 percent) than whites (12.3 percent). The most affected group was black women, with a prevalence rate of 48 percent.
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