Why should we have to respect religions?

**Fragony** · 04-25-2010, 09:13

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

This is what I mean when I say that Christians saying their worldview is right isn't any different from when an atheist does the same. People always hate on Chrisitans for thinking their view of the world is right. But then, everyone think their way is right. Atheists think the Christian concept of God is unreasonable, baseless, contradictory, and Christians themselves are judgemntal, exclusivist etc etc. Ooooh how intolerant, atheists obviously think they are better to arrive at their own correct beliefs.

Atheists aren't as intrusive, everybody can do as they please, some religious people have problem showing the same courtesy, it's not enough to not shop on sundays, the stores need to be closed for everyone

**Rhyfelwyr** · 04-25-2010, 10:49

Originally Posted by Fragony

Atheists aren't as intrusive, everybody can do as they please, some religious people have problem showing the same courtesy, it's not enough to not shop on sundays, the stores need to be closed for everyone

It's not like it doesn't work both ways, people of a left-wing persuasion seem to feel the need to make society work their way, look at the ban the burqa thread for a typical example.

Plus, there are double standards when it comes to spreading the ideas. If a Christian tries to convert someone, they get told to **** off and mind their own business. If an atheist tries to convert a Christian and the Christian tells them to **** off, then that's because they're brainwashed and won't challenge their beliefs.

You bring up an interesting example with the Sunday laws. Scotland was the only place in the UK that didn't have Sunday laws, yet it was the only place where shops actually shut on Sundays. Even in my lifetime this was the case, seems pretty extraordinary now but I guess it was just one of those quirks from the past. Anyway, the point was the shops shut because the people wanted them shut, not because they had to make it into another needless law, this is how things should work IMO.

**Beskar** · 04-25-2010, 10:56

Originally Posted by The Stranger

most people who are atheists nowadays, believe in the big bang, gravity, physics etc would have believed in god 400 years ago. because now they still believe only what is dominent, what they hear and are taught. they do not construct, scrutinize, investigate anything. and im not sure if i'd be any different. i would like to believe i would be, but i dont know.

Actually, Atheism isn't that dominant if you look at the numbers. So that argument is actually false. Many people actually put themselves down as religious, or even Christian even though they never even stepped in a church since their baptism due to the influence of tradition. So it is easy enough to argue there are many people who put themselves down as Christian would actually be Atheist.

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Plus, there are double standards when it comes to spreading the ideas. If a Christian tries to convert someone, they get told to **** off and mind their own business. If an atheist tries to convert a Christian and the Christian tells them to **** off, then that's because they're brainwashed and won't challenge their beliefs.

That is an obvious doublestandard there. You miss out the part where the Christian goes "Well, I am going to Heaven and you are going to Hell! ner ner" or about how sinful you are for rejecting magical beings love. There are also instances where openly talking about atheism is actually "taboo", while openly talking about being a christian is "all okay". Reminds me of when there was a poster saying "There many not be a God", all the religious people got their knickers in a twist over it, and sent in tons of compliants, but you don't see athiests complaining constantly about advertisements for this church or another and other various things.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 04-25-2010, 11:10

Originally Posted by Beskar

That is an obvious doublestandard there. You miss out the part where the Christian goes "Well, I am going to Heaven and you are going to Hell! ner ner" or about how sinful you are for rejecting magical beings love.

The afterlife element is irrelevant, atheists still think they are better for being what they are.

But this is fine, it's what everyone does, we all have our one worldview and we all think its the sole right one. Even a buddhist that beliefs everyone's beliefs have much truth in them and are all different paths to the same goal etc is still just as stubborn in believing he is right. The only reason he appears more tolerant is because more ideas can fit in with his own views, and he will always disagree with the claims to being the one true way made by Christianity, Islam, secular humanism etc - so he is still saying he is the only one who's view is right.

Originally Posted by Beskar

There are also instances where openly talking about atheism is actually "taboo", while openly talking about being a christian is "all okay". Reminds me of when there was a poster saying "There many not be a God", all the religious people got their knickers in a twist over it, and sent in tons of compliants, but you don't see athiests complaining constantly about advertisements for this church or another and other various things.

Some religious folk are a bit oversensitive. That's not because of the religion itself, some people just need to get over things.

It's not like militant atheists never freak out over things. How dare someone pray privately in school!

**Beskar** · 04-25-2010, 11:17

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

It's not like militant atheists never freak out over things. How dare someone pray privately in school!

Never heard that is a problem. There has been a problem where a school has tried to force people to pray, which is something else entirely.

I have heard of christians complain to schools because during a video session, they had "Harry Potter" on, and they said how Harry Potter is the work of the devil and goes against the teachings of the bible.

**Fragony** · 04-25-2010, 12:06

It's not like it doesn't work both ways, people of a left-wing persuasion seem to feel the need to make society work their way, look at the ban the burqa thread for a typical example.

Plus, there are double standards when it comes to spreading the ideas. If a Christian tries to convert someone, they get told to **** off and mind their own business. If an atheist tries to convert a Christian and the Christian tells them to **** off, then that's because they're brainwashed and won't challenge their beliefs. That is true, here in the Neds we call it the leftist church for a reason, christians and muslims don't even come close when it comes to intruding private space.

**Fragony** · 04-25-2010, 12:13

That is true, here in the Neds we call it the leftist church for a reason, christians and muslims don't even come close when it comes to intruding private space.(posting from ps3 tried to quote)

**The Stranger** · 04-25-2010, 12:30

what.. ur post doesnt make sense at the end.

**Fragony** · 04-25-2010, 12:47

Originally Posted by The Stranger

what.. ur post doesnt make sense at the end.

PS3 browser doesn't make sense, macbook was stolen when I came back to the Neds. Hardly functional all this

**The Stranger** · 04-25-2010, 15:51

you are typing from your ps3? woah...

**Fragony** · 04-25-2010, 17:25

isn't thar hard, got keybord mouse and a screen

**Beskar** · 04-25-2010, 18:10

Originally Posted by Fragony

isn't thar hard, got keybord mouse and a screen

The typing mistakes just top it off. Also, naughty offtopic talking.

**Mooks** · 04-26-2010, 12:43

You don't. If a religious person said something you find funny but it's religious, then laugh. You owe nothing to religious people, and vice versa. When I was younger and forced to go to church I had to hold back laughter almost the entire time (Granted, I went to some conservative churches). Some of the stuff religious people say is just loony. Doesn't mean you have to be a jerk to them though; there's just no point.

**caravel** · 04-26-2010, 12:55

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

What religion?

Can I make up my own?

Yes

And yes.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 04-26-2010, 12:59

Originally Posted by Beskar

.... You miss out the part where the Christian goes "Well, I am going to Heaven and you are going to Hell! ner ner" or about how sinful you are for rejecting magical beings love. There are also instances where openly talking about atheism is actually "taboo", while openly talking about being a christian is "all okay"....

It's supposed to be "I hope I am going to Heaven...and would you like me to help you get there too?" The version you cite -- which does crop up too much -- is both the sin of pride AND bad sales tactics.

**Beskar** · 04-26-2010, 13:27

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

It's supposed to be "I hope I am going to Heaven...and would you like me to help you get there too?" The version you cite -- which does crop up too much -- is both the sin of pride AND bad sales tactics.

Agreed. The version I cited seems to be the popular compared to the more accurate one you discribe.