So, I am the only one thinking things are going downhill in Europe?

[Fragony]

If you read the article you would have known she blames it on the culture of people from islamic cultures, not the islam. True or not, what is most interesting is that such conclusions weren't allowed professionally, only social-economic considerations are to be considered.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Immigrants to the USA tended to be no smarter, and no less intelligent, than any other largish group of people. They did tend to be woefully undereducated. Is that not also being replicated in Europe?


Louis:

I suspect the bourgoie tendencies go along with your advancing age -- remember Churchill's quip on switching parties -- and not so much to do with any racist attitude. I suspect that you'd interact just fine with anyone from these backgrounds if they sat down for polite conversation and a hunk of baguette. It's the behavior/attitude set you have trouble tolerating, not the irrelevant difference in melanin.

[Fragony]

Immigrants to the USA tended to be no smarter, and no less intelligent, than any other largish group of people. They did tend to be woefully undereducated. Is that not also being replicated in Europe?

What if they don't care about education? These guys are a lost generation and they don't give a crap, they care about nice cars and Prada shoes, and no they don't have to watch the people they rob having such cars and shoes, they rob grannies. The rare one that achieves something by hard work and ambition they spit on, 'verkaast' (cheesed) is an insult.

[Ironside]

What if they don't care about education? These guys are a lost generation and they don't give a crap, they care about nice cars and Prada shoes, and no they don't have to watch the people they rob having such cars and shoes, they rob grannies. The rare one that achieves something by hard work and ambition they spit on, 'verkaast' (cheesed) is an insult.

The question on why they do this should obviously follow. Particulary if they are children of working (if still lower class) parents.

[Fragony]

The question on why they do this should obviously follow. Particulary if they are children of working (if still lower class) parents.

Well if nothing is ever your personal responsibility I don't have to think very hard for an answer.

[Beskar]

Well if nothing is ever your personal responsibility I don't have to think very hard for an answer.

So all those people who got fired/laid-off because of the recession, it was all their fault?

There is only so much personal responsibility, but we live in a system. Peoples actions work with other peoples actions to produce certain results, and these can affect others who had nothing to do with the original action.

In the same breath, there are those who have been given a free-ride and never needed to take personal responsibility. Can these ever be accurately weighed up against some one who has worked hard, but constantly ended up down on their luck because of the system?

We don't live in a bubble by ourselves, which is where all individualistic arguments constantly and always fall apart. If we did, then people would have to simply take responsibility for all their actions. There are obvious differences between those who try and those who don't.


Should some one from Arab decent who has worked hard and lived a very good "western lifestyle" be stigmatised and discriminated against, just because some random arab in the newspaper did something bad? These generalisations hurt everyone involved and all they do is infact, breed the generalisations more.

[Fragony]

Is it really stigmatation? Might be where you are from, and I do not doubt the rare immigrant has to face discrimination. In the same way the locals who can't get the hell out of mutually respected areas are.

[Meneldil]

The most tragic part of this thread is that none could spell Meneldil correctly. Trully saddening.

In other news (couldn't check the forum much because of my new job), I haven't changed my mind in the last two weeks. And I still find the arguments put forward by the proponents of multiculturalism worthless.

Every new day, I witness new cases of arab scums acting like scums, while the 'white' population pretends to look away or stares at her feet. I've also learnt that the word "française" when used by an arab or a black means "slut". How charming. I knew they had bad names to call us with (and so do we), but that's bringing it to a whole new level. This macho-man retard culture assimilates white women in general to sluts, to objects, not even worthy of respect. That's bringing racism to a whole new level of stupidity.
When the majority feels abused by the minority, something is going wrong, really wrong. The image of the "arab-scum-with-his-kniff-and-his-twelve-friends" is so deeply rooted in our mind that we are paralyzed by fear.

What is the point of all this? How could we build a peaceful or even functional society like this?

@Louis, I don't have much problem with West Africans. There's not a lot of them in Montpellier (unlike Paris), and those who come here are mostly well educated foreign students, who generally agree that african youth living in France are rotten and deserve some good asskicking.

@MegasMatuselah, multiculturalism working in Canada? That's funny, coming from someone who complains about the evil imperialistic racist canadian state every second post. From someone who lives in a country where natives are dying because of alcoholism and poverty and where different ethnicities never deal with eachothers, except when it comes to fighting at the exit of a club on a saturday night. Canada was never a nation (in the sociological meaning) to begin with, your multiculturalist model isn't working and never did, hence why Québecers rightfully reject it. Your country have failed when it came to minorities, even more so than the US, and I'm sad to see that France is slowly heading the same way: a giant place where people of different skin colors live in different neighborhood, hate eachother or at best try to ignore eachothers. That's not what a country is supposed to be.

[Strike For The South]

The most tragic part of this thread is that none could spell Meneldil correctly. Trully saddening.

In other news (couldn't check the forum much because of my new job), I haven't changed my mind in the last two weeks. And I still find the arguments put forward by the proponents of multiculturalism worthless.

Every new day, I witness new cases of arab scums acting like scums, while the 'white' population pretends to look away or stares at her feet. I've also learnt that the word "française" when used by an arab or a black means "slut". How charming. I knew they had bad names to call us with (and so do we), but that's bringing it to a whole new level. This macho-man retard culture assimilates white women in general to sluts, to objects, not even worthy of respect. That's bringing racism to a whole new level of stupidity.
When the majority feels abused by the minority, something is going wrong, really wrong. The image of the "arab-scum-with-his-kniff-and-his-twelve-friends" is so deeply rooted in our mind that we are paralyzed by fear.

What is the point of all this? How could we build a peaceful or even functional society like this?

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Men dameaning women, lawless youths, lack of civility

Mon Cher how will you ever deal with these unuiqe problems that no one has ever faced before?