Pirates, Russia, Somalia...Politics....

[Louis VI the Fat]

Well, you should contact Serbian government, they're always ready to suck up to suites in Brussels. Might even give you half of our naval budget in which case you could get up to 29.99 euros.

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Per year of course.

Wait, I remembered wrong. The Swiss eventually narrowly voted against sending their mighty navy. It's Norway that's involved with the EU.

Are you sure Serbia shouldn't follow Norway's lead? It will be an excellent opportunity for Serbia to show Europe it is a worthy future member!

Or else let me speak to somebody in your navy. I bet I can convince him. No military wants to keep its planes on ground and its ships ashore.

We want your money money money!!!

[Sarmatian]

We want your money money money!!!

I'm sorry but we have to save our money for our corrupt politicians. They're all morally challenged and have no skills whatsoever. How are they gonna earn a living otherwise?

Ok, you can get both our planes but that's it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I'm sorry but we have to save our money for our corrupt politicians. They're all morally challenged and have no skills whatsoever. How are they gonna earn a living otherwise?

I see what you did there.


I must disagree though: Balkan politicians are very skilled. They are very skilled at being corrupt and sucking dry the populace. They get away with it, because they operate in a client society, and in an honour society. So insofar as people aren't directly dependent on corruption, the corrupt politicians can rely on pride in these honour societies. Balkanites will bite their tongue to outsiders, keep the silence, and thereby protect people or behaviour they in their hearts hate with a vengeance. The pride of the family, of the locality, or of the nation comes first, before the truth or individual frustration.
[/amateur national psychology, always a recipe for popularity around here ]

that being said if we really wanna get rid of these problems we need to get international patrols and we need to arm civilian ships.

not like the somalian navy can defend the red sea.......

There is no Somalian navy, because there is no Somalian state. There are only armed civilian ships.

So the solution is not more armed civilian ships and justice done by Russian mobsters, but more state controlled intervention to spread some semblance of the rule of law.

[Centurion1]

I know there's no somalian navy hence the. .........

When you can stabilize that region without violence and total overhaul of their entire society I will lick your French boots

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I know there's no somalian navy hence the. .........

When you can stabilize that region without violence and total overhaul of their entire society I will lick your French boots

He's FRENCH. He does not wear boots (unless he picked up the habit from Strike). Frenchmen love their women in boots (seulement, bien sur) but prefer something a bit more stylish themselves.

If you're very nice to him following his success, he'll let you buy him a bottle of '61 Pontet Canet. Do NOT expect him to share unless you've educated your palate a bit.

[rotorgun]

If a criminal breaks into your home, armed, with the ability to do violence upon you or your loved ones, most would agree that if you were to kill said criminal in self defense, than it is just. Is this not a summary execution without the benefit of a trial? You might, if given the chance, be able to escape your house, avoiding the violence if the circumstances were right-a very speculative notion I agree, but possible. At sea, there is no where to run from a violent attack. One must defend the ship because it is your only real chance to survive. Pirates are a special kind of criminal; to threaten the lives of people aboard a vessel at sea creates a special kind of victim. There is no law at sea except that which the master of the vessel, or captain if we may, is responsible for. Under certain circumstances, he may take life for crimes, such as mutiny, which threaten the safety and lives of those he is responsible for. Most courts would back such a decision if made for such a reason.

I am not advocating the summary execution of anyone, but if all of the countries involved don't agree to have a way of trying pirates in an international agreement, then pirates will only be encouraged to continue their plundering. Maybe we need to send them all to a prison on some remote island guarded by an international force made up from all the players involved.

[Beskar]

I am not advocating the summary execution of anyone, but if all of the countries involved don't agree to have a way of trying pirates in an international agreement, then pirates will only be encouraged to continue their plundering. Maybe we need to send them all to a prison on some remote island guarded by an international force made up from all the players involved.

I thought that was Africa?

[Husar]

that being said if we really wanna get rid of these problems we need to get international patrols and we need to arm civilian ships.

There are already international patrols, but how many thousands of ships do you want to send there to cover the whole area? Do you know how much that would cost?
The idea of the french, to bundle the ships in convoys, guarded by a few military ships, seemed quite good, but I guess most ships cannot wait for a convoy to form so they take the risk of getting boarded by pirates.

i tohught you were pro-choice. you should be ecstatic they got an option, get in the dinghy or face mother russias wrath.

Where did I ever say I'm pro-choice? That's just you having a prejudice/being jealous because I'm a European...
And the choice is pretty lame if both options have the same outcome...

If a criminal breaks into your home, armed, with the ability to do violence upon you or your loved ones, most would agree that if you were to kill said criminal in self defense, than it is just. Is this not a summary execution without the benefit of a trial? You might, if given the chance, be able to escape your house, avoiding the violence if the circumstances were right-a very speculative notion I agree, but possible. At sea, there is no where to run from a violent attack. One must defend the ship because it is your only real chance to survive. Pirates are a special kind of criminal; to threaten the lives of people aboard a vessel at sea creates a special kind of victim. There is no law at sea except that which the master of the vessel, or captain if we may, is responsible for. Under certain circumstances, he may take life for crimes, such as mutiny, which threaten the safety and lives of those he is responsible for. Most courts would back such a decision if made for such a reason.

Yes, but once you have them captured and handcuffed, what reason do you have to kill them then? If the crew wants to start a shootout with boarding pirates on an oil tanker that's their own decision, I'm not going to argue about people trying to fight for their freedom and/or lives, but it also bears quite a few risks, we already said many ports don't allow armed crews etc.

Being put in a boat is certainly harsher then the possibility of asylum if say the Dutch Navy captured then but then bear in mind that China executes the pirates it captures, though these are murderous pirates as well.

That the pirates often run away once they come under fire(or water) from almost anything also shows that they're not the cold blooded murderomaniacs that the Chinese always kill.
And since when was China a role model for the West concerning how to treat people anyway?

While these pirates are in all likelihood dead it's not like they were summarily executed on the side of the ship. Seeing as they often operate with "motherships" there is a possibility of rescue if their financiers/support ships care enough.

Well, now you're pulling a pontius pilatus, washing your hands in innocence.

[Viking]

Frenchmen love their women in boots

So they wear boots after all?

[Centurion1]

Why can't you lock up an smg as well as a flintlock etc.

[Pannonian]

Or else let me speak to your navy. I bet I can convince him.

Corrected.

[Kadagar_AV]

Enough jokes about the swiss navy...

Of course there is Swiss Navy!!



They have pretty wierd recruitment posters though.

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About the PIRATES, why is it so hard to make an international law against this?

[Beskar]

The Swiss actually do have a navy. It is a couple of tugboats on Lake Geneva.

[Centurion1]

austria has a navy as well according to my daddy's big old book of navies.

this is absolutely hilarious now tha ti think of it.

Russian Captain: We let you go
Somalia: (stupid european im just going to buy another ak)
Russian Captain: With no navagation gear and all of you on a dinghy.
Somalian: Awwwwwww ****

all in a russian accent of course.

that being said if we really wanna get rid of these problems we need to get international patrols and we need to arm civilian ships.

not like the somalian navy can defend the red sea....... with all two of their jetskis

I thought you were pro-life?

i tohught you were pro-choice. you should be ecstatic they got an option, get in the dinghy or face mother russias wrath.