My next game?

[Qvintvs]

Play as Hayasdan:
1. Some of the worst infantry units in the world.
2. Poor economy.
3. Good cavalry, that you will not get until, maybe, 200 BC thanks to poor economy.
4. Arche Seleukeia has access to troops that are better than yours, and they will attack you as well.

It is still possible to win through, unless you dare to VH/VH once again.

[pikeman]

VH AI has rabies, I'm not going to do it again.

[Macilrille]

For your information: he is the greatest of all Romaikotnoi and your quite lucky that he decided to retire for some time.

Tells you something of the format of Roman-haters does it not? I would probably nominate someone else, but that is because I look not at the magnitude of hatred, but on personality.

In any case. Pikeman is exhibiting traits that might develop into the antihesis of those and we want no haters of any faction around. It is silly!

Pike, please stop the flagrant propagation of one faction over the others. EB was made, and EB II is being made, to give all factions their due. No need for any strife between the lovers of all. I love the Romans, and the Sweboz, and I have had one of my funniest campaigns as Baktria, surprisingly so.

EB is about possibly altering history, thus showing the potential and greatness of all factions. Not about how one; Greek, Cartie, Roman, Gallic or Germanic is better than any others.

All factions are good, and all is good.

Now go play a Roman campaign, then a Carthie, then a Sweboz, and a Baktrian, and a Getai, and a Macedonian, and... and... and...

And what you will see is they all have strengths and weaknesses. EB is also about learning, so learn their greatness, their culture, their history...

And, have fun doing so.

[Grade_A_Beef]

You might wanna try the Casse, as you'll never be harassed and can get a booming economy without even trying. Those tin mines and ports in Britain can easily net you 60k per turn (and more) once you conquer the Isles and disband everything. You can visit the mainland whenever you want but the biggest kicker is that you get the best FM training facility in the game.

Watch out though, as if you're going in after you've upgraded to Time of Soldiers your kin down in Gaul will rip you to shreds with their Neitos. I've only played Casse once and I don't think they have an effective answer to neitos....other than Milnaht and them two handers (both of which have limited recruitment areas.) You'll also need to watch out for Gaesatae if the Gauls are actually on top of their game and have MICs for that (unlikely given that the Aedui and Arverni are usually lame ducks all the way till the end of the game.)

What you REALLY need to watch out for however are Leunce Epos.

[artavazd]

Play as Hayasdan:
1. Some of the worst infantry units in the world.2. Poor economy.
3. Good cavalry, that you will not get until, maybe, 200 BC thanks to poor economy.
4. Arche Seleukeia has access to troops that are better than yours, and they will attack you as well.

It is still possible to win through, unless you dare to VH/VH once again.

Armenian medium sword infantry, are solid infantry units, on par with principes. Armenian noble infantry, are an elite unite that are on par with other elite unites. This faction is far from having "the worst infantry units in the world."

[DaciaJC]

I would strongly recommend playing the Getai/Dacians. Great starting position and plenty of fun-to-use units. They aren't particularly challenging to play as, though.

[Macilrille]

Wow! Somebody cast a necromancy spell and got FL back ;-) WB
Getai's economy is not too great, consider that he got kicked as Rome. For an experienced player Getai is easy and fun, for a newcomer, any faction whose economy starts off by going - is not so fun.

[J.R.M]

Good one! And we Greeks are direct descendants of the ones that built the Parthenon.

LOL

For your information: he is the greatest of all Romaikotnoi.

Well, even though Sata´s might and authorithy are unquestionable, i believe Maion is the greatest of all Romaioktonoi.
Thats just a matter of oppinion. Pikeman is in the way to becoming the "Satalexton" of the Roman lovers, but maybe he can change that?

[ximxim]

Play as Hayasdan:
1. Some of the worst infantry units in the world.
2. Poor economy.
3. Good cavalry, that you will not get until, maybe, 200 BC thanks to poor economy.
4. Arche Seleukeia has access to troops that are better than yours, and they will attack you as well.

It is still possible to win through, unless you dare to VH/VH once again.

I'd suggest Hayasdan as well, but for basically exactly the opposite reasons. :)

The economy I've found is rather good, with lots of provinces having access to good mines. The infantry is not that bad, the basic Caucasian Spearmen is a better version of the Pantodapoi, Persian Hoplites are very decent mobile line infantry, and the caucasian archers are not too bad. Can't speak for the cavalry, as I have a houserule not to use them.

Personally I've found the medium infantry pretty bad, not sure I'd want to compare them to principes (worse swords, worse defence, worse formation, much more expensive etc). The noble infantry is worth it's cost, though.

[Zradha Pahlavan]

Saba isn't in the options? What is wrong with the Saba? Rrrrrrr...
Parthia is fun if you can get used to the horse-archer management, but Epeiros isn't bad either.

[Macilrille]

Guys, he is a Newcomer, Haysdan is the only campaign I have ever had to restart and Saba is the only one Fluvius has. Those two and Pontos are perhaps the most difficult ones and you guys ask a guy who got kicked in the much- much easier Roman campaign to try it...

Not very fair on him. Let him get some experience first, we all had to in order to suceed in the difficult factions.

[athanaric]

If he got Pwned as Roma with its fat treasury, what is the chance of succeeding your attempt as Sweboz?

He could play isolationist for about 40 game years, seeing as the AI factions are at some distance and the foolish Gauls are too occupied with destroying each other. This will give him some time to grab Eleutheroi settlements and learn basic EB economy (and I mean basic, because the Suebi got little else).

Plus, there are several good guides available for this faction. One of which just so happens to be linked in my sig... [/shameless self-promotion].


e: voted for Getai though as they are easier.

[Macilrille]

I believe the Sweboz are too difficult as well, it will merely put him off EB.

[athanaric]

Oh, I started off with KH and Swêboz, both of which are a little tricky at the start. I read some gameplay guides beforehand and never lost a campaign (gave some up though because of boredom, annoyance, CTD, or early strategic mistakes that made the campaign unnecessarily difficult).

[Zradha Pahlavan]

Well I did suggest Epeiros, they have it pretty good. Just let the KH and Macedon fight it out and build up some money, then beat the stuffing out of them. Once you've got Greece you can go anywhere and you'll be rich for a long time. Plus you get some elephants to play with.

[Rahwana]

Play Roma again, and learn to conquer those barbarians this time (but perhaps you don't want to call the greeks as barbarians because we appreciate their culture much, all greeks are civilized and good peoples, except macedonians of course)

[jirisys]

LOL


Well, even though Sata´s might and authorithy are unquestionable, i believe Maion is the greatest of all Romaioktonoi.
Thats just a matter of oppinion. Pikeman is in the way to becoming the "Satalexton" of the Roman lovers, but maybe he can change that?

That's precisely why he ain't getting in the romans group

Play Roma again, and learn to conquer those barbarians this time (but perhaps you don't want to call the greeks as barbarians because we appreciate their culture much, all greeks are civilized and good peoples, except macedonians of course)

We ALL hate macedonia, that's why we play Hegemony: Philip of Macedon (I still don't like em, stupid slavs)

Anyway.

Play as Saka, let him with phalanx or two for a while, see if there's any skill amongst that pike

Flourishing economy, elite infantry, poor cavalry tho, enormous wall defences, enormous trade routes, mighty alliances and feeble enemies

Would you believe that i have 20K and can beat the out of everyone in MY Saka campaign (No cheats were used during this, not even FD)

~Jirisys (Original, by George Carlin, modified for EB purposes)

[gamegeek2]

Good one! And we Greeks are direct descendants of the ones that built the Parthenon.

And we Americans are descended from everyone!

[pikeman]

And we Americans are descended from everyone!

including the Martians?

[artavazd]

including the Martians?

ESPECIALY the Martians :))

[Maion Maroneios]

Armenian medium sword infantry, are solid infantry units, on par with principes. Armenian noble infantry, are an elite unite that are on par with other elite unites. This faction is far from having "the worst infantry units in the world."

These guys are indeed a pain in the rear. I encountered a small Hai army with a couple of these guys, and they gave me a nasty surprise.

Well I did suggest Epeiros, they have it pretty good. Just let the KH and Macedon fight it out and build up some money, then beat the stuffing out of them. Once you've got Greece you can go anywhere and you'll be rich for a long time. Plus you get some elephants to play with.

Actually, just waiting for Makedonia and the southern Hellenes to fight it out will result in an economic crisis of the likes Greece faces today. The best thing you can do with Epeiros, is blitz Greece from the start to save your rapidly failing economy.

[J.R.M]

Yea, specially Pella´s mines are pretty awesome. Then when Greece is secure and all peacefull under Pyrrhus might, its time to take Dalminion (more mines), and then to Italy and Sicily. At least thats how i like it.

[Maion Maroneios]

Yea, specially Pella´s mines are pretty awesome. Then when Greece is secure and all peacefull under Pyrrhus might, its time to take Dalminion (more mines), and then to Italy and Sicily. At least thats how i like it.

Ditto.

[Andy1984]

Carthage would be an obvious choice:
- most of your provinces are secure, as long as you keep the Ptolemaioi at bay (which shouldn't be that hard)
- a really strong economy thanks to naval trade and the possibility to expand your economy vastly by conquering the iberian peninsula
- syntagmaphalanx :)
- a wide selection of both heavy cavalry and heavy infantry: learn to use your cavalry.
- elephants :)
- the possibility to keep everyone at bay with a fleet (which is hard as a nomad or a northern barbarian)

Another reasonable choice would be another attempt at the Romani, given that you want to try again off course.

[Zradha Pahlavan]

Actually, just waiting for Makedonia and the southern Hellenes to fight it out will result in an economic crisis of the likes Greece faces today. The best thing you can do with Epeiros, is blitz Greece from the start to save your rapidly failing economy.

Not so, taking some of the northern Eleutheroi towns will allow you to gain some cash. Pella should be taken at the start, but in my experience the southern Greek towns are always much too well defended for a direct attack early on.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Epiros FTW. You get to spam Phalangitai Deuteroi and Toxotai. When funds are available, you get to spam Elephantikoi. I made a post a while ago when i beat my Epiros campaign and had enough money to screw around with a full stack of Elephants. It was hilarious to smash full stacks of gold chevrons with it.

Overall, though, Epiros is strong enough to win. Take Pella first round and stalemate the Maks. Put all other troops across to Taras and fight the Romans until you take Rome. Once that's finished, porcupine in Italy and re-focus taking Hellas. Kill all the pretended Greeks and then strengthen against the Getai, taking whatever territories you need from them. Then, march on Anatolia and roll across with full stacks. Fortify it all when you can, and swing south to sack every single Egyptian city in the holy land and along the nile. This will nerf the yellow death. Destroy every single improvement, massacre the people, pillage all the wonders (Including the Jewish Temple AND Alexander's Tomb) for beaucoup bucks, and then drop the taxes to low and evacuate. They'll rebel, but the people will be pissed when the AI raises the taxes. Don't try to keep the territories. Once you annihilate the yellow death, your other cities should be well up to par and you can smash east into the Seleucids, if they're even still alive.

G/L and good winning!

[Zradha Pahlavan]

What's also fun is a naval invasion of Carthage. Indian elephants versus African elephants is an interesting contest.

[Qvintvs]

"Greekish Barbarians" are clearly Epeirotes.

[Maion Maroneios]

"Greekish Barbarians" are clearly Epeirotes.

Or Makedones.

[Macilrille]

Or possibly Greeks had you asked the Persians. The definition of Barbarian seems to move outwards as the former barbarians gets civilised.
Notice how barbarians just across the border from civilisation combine some civilisation and native vigour to conquer and integrate their neighbours and old civilisations.
Macs
Romans
Germanic Tribes (up to and including Vikings)
Huns
Normans
Mongols?
Gauls, a might-have-been, but the Roman Republic was still full of vitality then...

Quite funny eh...