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    Default Re: School Books Rewritten in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    This source provideds information on the religious affiliations of US Presidents as well as links to such assessments for other government figures. It cannot, of course, offer evidence as to the depth of their faith or its relevance to their policies save anecdotally.

    Consider this assessment of current religious affiliation, and this gives some timeline perspective.
    I would argue that the early presidents, founding fathers additionaly so, were secularists first and foremost. It has even been argued by far greated minds than mine, that several of them were atheists, paying lip service.

    Remember that the US of A was not founded as a christian nation, no matter how much todays right-wing winds blow.

    Take the treaty with Tripoli as an example, drafted in 1796 under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797:

    Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

    Kind of fun reading this with modern eyes, no?

    Ironic how a nation founded in secularism today is one of the, if not the, most religious countrys. A scientific study has shown that the spining corpses of the founding fathers could be used as a alternative energy source, George Washington alone has been calculated to be able to fully suply the energy needs of an average town.


    I could of course also point at Jefferson, or how about this quote:

    To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise... ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.

    Not the words of a Christian, now is it?

    Or Benjamin Franklin: Lighthouses are more useful than churches, sure, he was a deist, but it is not a great leap of faith to imagine he today would have been atheist. Christian however, he defianetly was not.


    However, main point would be, no matter if they all were atheists, deists or christian they had one thing in common - secularism!
    Last edited by Kadagar_AV; 05-21-2010 at 02:10. Reason: sp

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