The Faction Culture Discussions

[Nyz]

Are nowadays Minangkabau not even close to that-time's Sriwijaya?

no. closest to that time sriwijaya are old sriwijaya. old sriwijaya are closest to Chola and Sunda-Galuh.

It seem that Sriwijaya and Sailendra have very close relation, how about put Sriwijaya in Javanese Culture?

[plutoboyz]

puting Sunda on Jawi culture are already far. putting sriwijaya on jawi are Javacentrism. if we put sriwijaya on Jawi, why don't melaka?

on the other hand we can merge sriwijaya and Sunda in one culture, Sunda strait culture. basically Sunda are culturally closer to Malays. it just present day Sunda (I'm not one of them) who closer to Jawa.

[Nyz]

puting Sunda on Jawi culture are already far. putting sriwijaya on jawi are Javacentrism. if we put sriwijaya on Jawi, why don't melaka?

on the other hand we can merge sriwijaya and Sunda in one culture, Sunda strait culture. basically Sunda are culturally closer to Malays. it just present day Sunda (I'm not one of them) who closer to Jawa.

I somewhat agree with you, it seem that Sriwijaya place in Malay Culture make it very hard to us to design the FM portrait and headgear...

How about adding pirates faction in this culture, more factions in a culture make it worth to establish a new one...

[Cute Wolf]

hmm... BTW... converting a culture means more work to do it, and sunda strait culture thingies will made future expansion stunted...

and Hindu-Buddhist resistance in Sumatera actually called themself melayu too, and don't forget that this time "Sriwijaya" also consist of Batak Kingdoms

*. You could alyways argue that this mod's Sriwijaya was pretty much "Sumateran Hindu-Buddhist Kingdoms' Alliance"

[Rahwana]

let me speak in this matter then, everyone could argue that every kingdoms, every factions, and even every royal families, posessed "unique" cultures. While we always try to gave the best approximation of what they are, we can't portay them entirely accurate, because they must be fitted in engine limitations. Portait, is among the first problems, but current portait sets are suficient, and they are not stray too far away (at least I don't forced wolf to gave them roman portaits, for example).

Pajajaran WILL BE INCLUDED IN Jawi culture, and Sriwijayan in Melayu culture, like that or not, that's the best approximation we can get.
And yeah, actually, Sriwijayan army is far closer to Majapahit, depends on horse archery, and had very2 crappy low rank massed infantry.

[Cute Wolf]

oh yeah, liat aja apa yang ada di forum EB sekarang... ada yang bicara kalo secara kultur, luso bukan iberia... yah, mau gimana lagi, emang slot game nya terbatas..... hehehe

[Nyz]

hmm... BTW... converting a culture means more work to do it, and sunda strait culture thingies will made future expansion stunted...

Pajajaran WILL BE INCLUDED IN Jawi culture, and Sriwijayan in Melayu culture, like that or not, that's the best approximation we can get.

oh yeah, liat aja apa yang ada di forum EB sekarang... ada yang bicara kalo secara kultur, luso bukan iberia... yah, mau gimana lagi, emang slot game nya terbatas..... hehehe

Well, plutoboyz, the mod leader and co-leader have spoken and used the veto power.

Never mind that…. We can do what we can to portray faction as accurate as we can within the engine limitation.

These are things I suggested that we can do:

a) Set of unit: A Faction will have a set of military unit of it own. Well, this idea have been rejected because it will make us very hard because we will have hundreds of units to be modeled and skinned, and some units have same level and same stat, only the name change according to native language… and units have limitation in RTW engine too.

b) Different Skin: Same unit that been shared between factions have different skin per faction… let ask the skinner whether they want to make different skin or not….and AFAIK same unit model also have limited skin in RTW engine…

c) FM and Character names: This way we can distinguish faction from faction, as I suggest in our dev forum, Aceh’s FM name will be Teuku, Melaka : Tun, Palembang: Pangeran and Kiyai… I have listed 40 ++ for Melaka and Aceh, all I have to do is list more for Palembang… (and Sriwijaya too)…

d) Buildings Names and description: building names and its description in native language of the faction will distinguish faction from faction too. See example below:

Description for Building

1) Governor house

a) Melaka:

Balai Raya (Village Big Hall)

Kampung (village) is the smallest unit of residential area and headed by Ketua Kampung (village chief). Usually the village residents are big family and appointed the family headman or the eldest as the village chief. Economy of Kampung is based on agriculture.

Balai Raya (Village Big Hall) is the center for the villagers and act as the place where the villagers have meeting and local ceremony. Village headman will administer the village from the village hall.

In Malay history, a big family establishing the village by clearing land and forest. Citizenship at that time was not documented, it is just the village chief will seek permission from local king a noble to stay in that area.

Short Desctiption:

Dato ' Ketua, Balai Raya that was recently built will be the place for meeting of the village residents, local ceremony and village administrative operation.


b) Aceh

Diwan Meucawé Tuha Peut (the Meeting Hall of Tuha Peut)

Gampong (village) is the smallest unit of residential area and headed by Geuchik (village chief). He is assisted by a council of local rulers and Islamic Scholars called Tuha Peut.

Diwan Meucawé Tuha Peut (the Meeting Hall of Tuha Peut) is the center for the Tuha Peut and act as the place where the council have meeting. Tuha Peut will administer the village from the meeting hall.


c) Palembang

Rumah Besak (Big House)

Dusun (village) is the smallest unit of residential area and headed by Kerio (village chief). Usually the village residents are big family and appointed the family headman or the eldest as the village chief. Economy of Kampuang is based on agriculture.

Rumah Besak (Big House) is the center for the villagers and act as the place where the villagers have meeting and local ceremony. Village headman will administer the village from the Big House.

e) Music: Well, in BI, we can set a set of music per faction, but it requires a lot of text work… BTW, I already start collecting traditional and folk songs, especially Malay (Such as Wayang Kulit, Silat, Caklempong, Gamelan, Joget, Zapin music), and ready to provide them for the Mod. Apparently the first release will not include Nusantara’s Music, however it is good to start collecting especially the European Music.

Portraying faction as accurately is our dream; however it will require lot of work… especially option D. Don’t hope a certain faction have a special culture slot, if we cannot fill the inputs even the faction is in shared culture slot…

If we want the faction portrayed accurately, then we have to face it...

@plutoboyz: if you provide lot input of Pajajaran (buildings names and description), it is not Pajajaran will be Javanized, but Majapahit and Bintara will be Sundanized instead...