Racial differences...

[Lemur]

I have a friend who is biologist, he claims that biology research could gain a lot from this lien of research at large, but that unfortunately taboo/laws stop it.

Hmm, I wonder what field your friend is in, 'cause in the area of medicine/pharmaceuticals, racial differences are acknowledged, researched and worked with every day. The differences between ethnic groups are not large, but they are real, and medicine has to deal with them.

Going back to your bulldog/husky comparison, one of the places where that analogy falls flat: inbreeding (or "in-line" breeding, as the dog folks euphemistically put it). Many generations of small-population inbreeding were required to achieve the distinctive look of a bulldog or a dalmation or what-have-you. This is one of the reasons purebred dogs have so many more health problems than mutts. It's also the reason you see such distinct personality differences between breeds.

Now if forty-foot-tall aliens took us as pets, divided us up according to gross facial and bodily characteristics, and then did ten to fifteen generations of inbreeding for aesthetic effect, you'd see something similar. Short of that, however, the analogy breaks down.

[Kadagar_AV]

Hmm, I wonder what field your friend is in, 'cause in the area of medicine/pharmaceuticals, racial differences are acknowledged, researched and worked with every day. The differences between ethnic groups are not large, but they are real, and medicine has to deal with them.

Going back to your bulldog/husky comparison, one of the places where that analogy falls flat: inbreeding (or "in-line" breeding, as the dog folks euphemistically put it). Many generations of small-population inbreeding were required to achieve the distinctive look of a bulldog or a dalmation or what-have-you. This is one of the reasons purebred dogs have so many more health problems than mutts. It's also the reason you see such distinct personality differences between breeds.

Now if forty-foot-tall aliens took us as pets, divided us up according to gross facial and bodily characteristics, and then did ten to fifteen generations of inbreeding for aesthetic effect, you'd see something similar. Short of that, however, the analogy breaks down.

No Lemur, racial differences is hindered by PC, and research on it is an uphill struggle. You are very much correct though, that the difference isnt all that big. But when it comes to, say, medicine, even small differences can have tremendous results, no?

As to why mutts are a stronger breed than "in-line" breeds, did you even read my second post? I seem to remember that I very specifically wrote that a black person having offspring with a white person will generally result in a stronger breed. How very racist of me.

We dont need any aliens to have races, you are aware that the genestock you are from at one point was down to about 15 individuals? Getting out of Africa wasn't ALL that easy you know (I assume you are a white westerner .





Alp_p>>> Oh, my put downs are rarely arbitrary. And yes I hope the mods are watching, if one of the better comes in he could explain your error. I do not mind a debate, it is just idiocy and PC propaganda I have a slight problem with.

[Rhyfelwyr]

So, you claim that there might be some differences, but that science at large shouldn't bother.

Clearly you have a brain for science.

Um... is this what I said? I'm just saying racial differences appear to be very minor, because when you take black people out the jungle they very quickly become part of white western society just like anyone else.

Alp_p>>> Oh, my put downs are rarely arbitrary. And yes I hope the mods are watching, if one of the better comes in he could explain your error. I do not mind a debate, it is just idiocy and PC propaganda I have a slight problem with.

Yeah, because Fragony and myself and the other people you are looking for an argument with are really your typical PC-loving leftists.

[Beskar]

Not this thread again, we had one the other week and the week before.

[Kadagar_AV]

Not this thread again, we had one the other week and the week before.

Link me. We could be over and done with it then :)

[Beskar]

Link me. We could be over and done with it then :)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...e&daysprune=60
The topic evolves into this subject.


Also, the French are modern Neanderthals.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8660940.stm

It is interesting that "blacks" (etc) are the purest homo sapiens. So much for genetic purity arguments by white racists.

[Kadagar_AV]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...e&daysprune=60
The topic evolves into this subject.


Also, the French are modern Neanderthals.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8660940.stm

It is interesting that "blacks" (etc) are the purest homo sapiens. So much for genetic purity.

I do not believe that topic quite covered this.

And no it is not interesting that "blacks" are the purest homo sapiens. It was however interesting way back in time when the research was published. Today it is just common knowledge, hence my reference to "getting out of africa wasnt that easy".

We had 2 groups moving out, that basically make up the rest of the world.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Of course cognitive abilities differ between populations.


We don't need to look at cumbersome inductive evidence. We need only deduction.

If a trait is heriditable, and it is different between individuals, then it is subject to evolutionary pressure. So all we need is to show that cognitive abilities differ between individual people, and that there are heriditable aspects. I would show, but neither of these two is in much dispute.

It's all you need. Everything else is creationist obfuscation: the idea that evolution somehow stops at the human brain, which is the realm of the soul.

[Lemur]

No Lemur, racial differences is hindered by PC, and research on it is an uphill struggle.

I'd like to see a citation for that, please. And anyway, race is a rather sloppy intermediary stage between general medicine and personalized genomic medicine.

A genetic allele that affects the body's response to codeine and antidepressants, for example, "is found in 9%, 17%, and 34% of the Ethiopian, Tanzanian, and Zimbabwean populations, respectively. Clearly, lumping together all of Africa obscures the differences between the populations."

The same gene varies among whites. [...] Looking at the aforementioned gene in both men, the authors point out that Watson, unlike Venter, has two copies of an allele that "is rare in the Caucasian population (3%) but prevalent in East Asian populations." They conclude: "One's ethnicity/race is, at best, a probabilistic guess at one's true genetic makeup."

In the stone age of genetics, we've often had to settle for racial medicine, such as BiDil, the heart-disease drug marketed to blacks. But technology and economics are beginning to carry us beyond that phase. "The costs of whole-genome sequencing and whole-genome genotyping are rapidly decreasing," Venter and his colleagues observe. "Companies such as Navigenics, 23andMe, and deCODE will genotype 600,000 to 1,000,000 markers in an effort to offer personalized genomics; several hundred dollars covers the cost of the technology."

[Centurion1]

Oh excuse me kadagar for not having the properly pedabtc tone you so greatly desire. A polite response can be just as insulting as a rude one. I do not need to deal with your snide little put Downs regarding my athleticism. No I am white with a small bit of Chinese. What gives you the right to give me these snide little putdowns. You always like to talk about how obnoxious Americans are and I think a little lesson in hypocrisy is necessary.

Yes my post was a Tad juvenile but I dot need your snide little comments about my post.

Edit: on further reflection I realized your just a pompous *** this is your thread why don't you promote discussion by being polite rather than a snob. You obviously share no ideological values or with me as we all know but keep your mouth shut if you can't give me a bit of respect.

[Megas Methuselah]

I'm acing my classes and have a bright future lined up for myself. Big head, I've got. It must mean I am racially superior to you, right? You're only a ski instructor, right?

Naw, my logic must be convoluted.

[Fragony]

I'm acing my classes and have a bright future lined up for myself. Big head, I've got. It must mean I am racially superior to you, right? You're only a ski instructor, right?

Naw, my logic must be convoluted.

You are really illustrating the argument he tries to make, genuine scientific research being made impossible by political correctness. Why do you read superiority when what written says differences, it's all in your head.

[Reenk Roink]

You are really illustrating the argument he tries to make, genuine scientific research being made impossible by political correctness. Why do you read superiority when what written says differences, it's all in your head.

Good, we definitely need more of society influencing the direction of science now. Any scientist who wants to do studies on racial differences, particularly and especially with respect to intelligence - (obviously as pointed out before, genetic differences that may be helpful in diagnosis and treatment of medical conditions should be looked at more) better be scrutinized a whole lot, and the pressure from the peer community better have him interpret the results in the correct fashion of differences due to ENVIRONMENTAL factors rather than any kind of biological or genetic factors which would just be wrong.