Archer unit sizes

**pikeman** · 05-22-2010, 10:49

Is it safe to assume that archers with 120 men are crappy, while ones with 160 men are at least somewhat decent? If so, to be specific, how good are the numidian archers? (I'm inching towards Carthage as Roma atm, starting from west to east so I don't get sandwiched by the yellow greeks.)

**Titus Marcellus Scato** · 05-22-2010, 10:56

More men is an advantage. But a larger unit is likely to have larger upkeep costs. Small units of archers make great garrison units that cost little to maintain.

**athanaric** · 05-22-2010, 13:23

Numidian Archers are quite good. They are inferior to Persian or Nomadic archers in terms of, well, archery, but are still better than the various European archer types, except for Baltic Frontiersmen (and Bosphorans and Cretans of course).
Decent basic armour (3), range (170 m) and overall stats, especially an armour-piercing club for melee, means they are very versatile troops and the second best choice for Romani, after Cretans.

Celtic and Germanic archers have 120 men/unit each and are crappy archers, but fairly decent in melee. Greek Toxotai are crappy all round, though still stronger than Accensi.

**Macilrille** · 05-23-2010, 22:35

/Me points again to the AAR Section with the advice on archery thread. If you cannot find it, Ludens have kindly stickied my list of threads with tactical advice- including links- have a look there.

**Tristuskhan** · 05-23-2010, 23:31

Archers:
Saka Foot Archers 209m, 25 arrows, 5 attack <---AFAIK they have the longest range in the game.
Toxotai Kretikoi 201.6m, 35 arrows, 6 attack
Subeshi Fistaegfataexsdzhytae 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Mardian Foot Archers 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Levantine Saggitarius Auxilia 198m 35 arrows, 5 attack
Sarmatian Foot Archers 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Skuda Fistaeg Fat Aexsdzhytae 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Hallatamti Thanvare (Elamite Archers) 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Giusim Aravim Tsfonim 196m, 25 arrow, 5 attack
Syrian Archers 192.5m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Thanvare Payahdag, 192.5m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Medininkas 187m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Thureopheromenoi Toxotai 180m, 35 arrows. 5 attack <---still the best in my opinion
Caucasian Archers, 180m, 28 arrows, 6 attack
Komatai Agrianai 179.5m, 25 arrows, 5 attack
Ethiopian Archers 179.2m, 25 arrows, 5 attack
Eransahr Arshtbara 175m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Numidian Archers 170m, 20 arrows, 5 attack
Indian Longbowmen 170m, 16 arrows, 5 attack
Sabean Archers 170m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Komatai Toxotai 160.2m, 15 arrows, 4 attack
Lankininkas 160m, 15 arrows, 4 attack
Nuraghi 157.3m, 15 arrows, 3 attack
Skutjanz 143m, 15 arrows, 4 attack
Sotaroas 143m, 15 arrows, 3 attack
Toxotai 143m, 15 arrows, 3 attack

Slingers:
Rhodian Slingers 195m, 30 bullets, 2 attack
Shuban Fradakshana, 185m, 30 bullets, 2 attack
Sphendonetai 185m, 30 bullets, 2 attack
Balearic Slinger 175m, 20 bullets, 3 attack
African Slingers 162.8m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Arab Slingers 162.8m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Iaosatae, 162m, 35 bullets, 1 attack
Komatai Sphendonitai 148m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Iberian Slingers 148m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Accensi 133.2m, 25 bullets, 1 attack

I dare copying it in this thread. It's all about archery things: melee values you must find yourself, as well as unit numbers.

**Apázlinemjó** · 05-24-2010, 01:04

Originally Posted by Tristuskhan

Thureopheromenoi Toxotai 180m, 35 arrows. 5 attack <---still the best in my opinion

Agreed, when they run out of ammo, you get an excellent unit of medium infantry.

**Imperator Invictus** · 05-26-2010, 18:11

Originally Posted by pikeman

Is it safe to assume that archers with 120 men are crappy, while ones with 160 men are at least somewhat decent? If so, to be specific, how good are the numidian archers? (I'm inching towards Carthage as Roma atm, starting from west to east so I don't get sandwiched by the yellow greeks.)

Yellow greeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please read

there is no such thing... !!!yellow greeks!!!

I remember your previous aberations : "greekish barbarians", "dark green celts", "pontic barbarians"

...they are funny but please stop and read some history or read any book you want, and only then you may post something on this forum...

**Cute Wolf** · 05-26-2010, 18:17

at least you could simply refers the ptolies better as Yellow fever, or sister

.....

**Duguntz** · 05-26-2010, 20:00

Mostly sissies...

**artavazd** · 05-26-2010, 20:13

it seems to me that javeline units take down the enemy more effectivly than archers. Anybody know why that is?

**Duguntz** · 05-26-2010, 21:24

well... look at the size of an arrow, then look at the size of a javelin! an arrow would more often only wound an ennemy than kill him, while a javelin, well, you don't survive long with a javelin stuck in your chest... :-)