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    iv recently began playing MTW viking invasion again, and started on the VI campaign as the irish
    i have almost won, only needing 4 provinces in scotland region and then the viking place
    however i am very annoyed as i have just failed due to having no heirs :/
    what id like to know is, is there any way to 'help' heirs to be born, or is it purely random?
    if it is random then i find it very stupid... :(
    thanks
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    Not sure about your situation, but one of the main issues is that factions are limited to 6 "heirs" (sons or brothers of the faction leader). So if your kings has 6 brothers taking up the spots, he will be unable to birth a male heir. In this case, the most useless of the brothers needs to be killed off quickly, either through assassination or a suicidal attack. Once a son takes over as king, the brothers become royal uncles and no longer count towards the 6 heir limit.

    You can also have kings that just don't produce (check their vices), or get killed off before sons come of age. You can use the .unfreeze. cheat to get a male born, but the king will need to stay alive for 16 years to allow the son to come of age.

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    ahhh ok didnt know about the 6 heirs buisness :P
    does that count if they are still to come of age? (under 16 years old) as in, if i had 6 guys under 16 do they take up the 6 places?
    and also, say i had 3 heirs above 16, and 3 heirs under 16, would that count as the 6 places taken up?

    well iv just left that campaign now as i know i wud of won XD on to early period i go!
    thanks for the welcome :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ellspeedy View Post
    ahhh ok didnt know about the 6 heirs buisness :P
    does that count if they are still to come of age? (under 16 years old) as in, if i had 6 guys under 16 do they take up the 6 places?
    and also, say i had 3 heirs above 16, and 3 heirs under 16, would that count as the 6 places taken up?
    Yes, over and under age sons count, along with the brothers of the current king.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    Not sure about your situation, but one of the main issues is that factions are limited to 6 "heirs" (sons or brothers of the faction leader). So if your kings has 6 brothers taking up the spots, he will be unable to birth a male heir. In this case, the most useless of the brothers needs to be killed off quickly, either through assassination or a suicidal attack. Once a son takes over as king, the brothers become royal uncles and no longer count towards the 6 heir limit.
    I see no reason to kill anyone off for their uselessness ulness you're in danger of having them inherit the throne. Also, even as uncles, they DO count as sons if they are the king's brothers. You'll have to wait until the new king dies and his blood son becomes new king. If he dies before his his oldest son is of age, the next brother will take over. Only when uncles are taken out of the line of succession do they stop counting as sons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl08 View Post
    I see no reason to kill anyone off for their uselessness ulness you're in danger of having them inherit the throne.
    If your king has 6 brothers, they will all age together, so when the king finally shuffles off his mortal coil, the brothers will also be old, and you need the 15 years to get a new heir in line. It's very risky to wait.
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl08 View Post
    Also, even as uncles, they DO count as sons if they are the king's brothers. You'll have to wait until the new king dies and his blood son becomes new king. If he dies before his his oldest son is of age, the next brother will take over. Only when uncles are taken out of the line of succession do they stop counting as sons.
    I meant that, I just don't think I said it clearly enough. Uncles to the king don't count, uncles to the heir do.
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    I have probably asked this before but don't remember...

    Do the heirs produce heirs of their own during the time that they are just heirs? For an example, let's say we have a 60 year old king with no children, and a 50 year old brother who is the lone heir. If the king dies and the brother takes over, do a bunch of princes and princesses suddenly pop up who are the children of the brother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vantek View Post
    I have probably asked this before but don't remember...

    Do the heirs produce heirs of their own during the time that they are just heirs? For an example, let's say we have a 60 year old king with no children, and a 50 year old brother who is the lone heir. If the king dies and the brother takes over, do a bunch of princes and princesses suddenly pop up who are the children of the brother?
    It's possible if the 50 year old brother was married before. So get those princesses, even after your king is married. Will still not break the 6 heir rule afaik so I'm not sure how the game keeps tracks of the new children or if they just spawn at succession. Makes it possible to get two heirs at the same age, even if one will end up last in line (is the youngest son of the old king).
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