Israel kills to Maintain Blockade

[HoreTore]

Normal police officers don't rappel one by one onto boats full of hostiles attacking with crowbars and the like.

Lolz. No, they're not normally attacked by crowbars; they're usually attacked by firebombs and molotovs - both of which are drastically more dangerous than a mechanical tool. Yet somehow, they manage not to kill a single person.... I wonder why.

[Hosakawa Tito]

'Israel fell into the trap', yes, that I think is my overriding sentiment. How could they be so unprofessional? I think everybody could've seen this coming. Israel was way too eager to respond to the provocation.

People have died, they've got the martyrs they sought, Israel has been lured into bullying again, it's a pr disaster, Israeli - Turkish relations have been undermined. All the goals of Israel's enemies have been achieved, I'd say.

That's how it looks from here, as well. With the tiny exception that the supplies were diverted to Israel first, as was their insistence.

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So Israel wins the logistics and tactics games, but loses the strategy and public-relations games.

This isn't Israel's first rodeo so it's hard to believe they could have miscalculated the pr implications that badly; maybe they just don't care or feel they can win the pr game no matter what.

[gaelic cowboy]

This isn't Israel's first rodeo so it's hard to believe they could have miscalculated the pr implications that badly; maybe they just don't care or feel they can win the pr game no matter what.

I imagine they were confident of finding terrorist material and all sorts of dual use stuff that kind of thing. The fact the Israeli ambassodor was on the six o clock news here tells me they might have only realised how far up that proverbial sewage filled creek they are.

[Andres]

This isn't Israel's first rodeo so it's hard to believe they could have miscalculated the pr implications that badly; maybe they just don't care or feel they can win the pr game no matter what.

Maybe Israel would think more about pr implications, if a certain superpower would stop vetoing UN resolutions taken against them.

Maybe there is something to say to get rid of the veto power for the permanent members of the security council. That is, if the intention is to have a UN that is to be taken serious.

[Hosakawa Tito]

'Israel fell into the trap', yes, that I think is my overriding sentiment. How could they be so unprofessional? I think everybody could've seen this coming. Israel was way too eager to respond to the provocation.

People have died, they've got the martyrs they sought, Israel has been lured into bullying again, it's a pr disaster, Israeli - Turkish relations have been undermined. All the goals of Israel's enemies have been achieved, I'd say.

That's how it looks from here, as well. With the tiny exception that the supplies were diverted to Israel first, as was their insistence.

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So Israel wins the logistics and tactics games, but loses the strategy and public-relations games.

Maybe Israel would think more about pr implications, if a certain superpower would stop vetoing UN resolutions taken against them.

Maybe there is something to say to get rid of the veto power for the permanent members of the security council. That is, if the intention is to have a UN that is to be taken serious.

Yes Andres, the Security Council veto game is played by all sides. It's how the superpowers play their proxie wars and global political games. If by some miracle the permanent members agreed to do as you suggest do you feel these type of conflicts can be resolved?

What do you suggest to take the council's place?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Lolz. No, they're not normally attacked by crowbars; they're usually attacked by firebombs and molotovs - both of which are drastically more dangerous than a mechanical tool. Yet somehow, they manage not to kill a single person.... I wonder why.

Way to miss the point; the Israelis were vastly outnumbered by people with deadly weapons.

Oh, and US (Boston) police manage to kill rioters, or rather bystanders, who aren't even attacking police, just rioting and causing some property damage.

CR

[tibilicus]

Way to miss the point; the Israelis were vastly outnumbered by people with deadly weapons.

Oh, and US (Boston) police manage to kill rioters, or rather bystanders, who aren't even attacking police, just rioting and causing some property damage.

CR

Deadly weapons?

lol..

I also find it funny how the official US response and the response from certain US posters here has been "they deserved it". Tell me, your country was quick to condemn us (the UK) on Bloody Sunday and yet here your quite content to keep your mouths shut. Do successive US administrations and evidently some posters here find themselves excusing some actions but condemning others when it suits them?

I guess the way it works in the USA is you look out for your own, that means certain groups which wiled influence in politics, the Israeli lobby in this case and the Irish lobby in the case of Bloody Sunday. And you wonder why many from outside the US look down on such double standards. I guess the USA and Israel really are a match made in heaven. Although it has to be said, we really have enjoyed being your lapdog for the past couple of years.

[gaelic cowboy]

Deadly weapons?

lol..

I also find it funny how the official US response and the response from certain US posters here has been "they deserved it". Tell me, your country was quick to condemn us (the UK) on Bloody Sunday and yet here your quite content to keep your mouths shut. Do successive US administrations and evidently some posters here find themselves excusing some actions but condemning others when it suits them?

I guess the way it works in the USA is you look out for your own, that means certain groups which wiled influence in politics, the Israeli lobby in this case and the Irish lobby in the case of Bloody Sunday. And you wonder why many from outside the US look down on such double standards. I guess the USA and Israel really are a match made in heaven. Although it has to be said, we really have enjoyed being your lapdog for the past couple of years.

While it is tempting to draw parallels with the Northern Conflict I would advise against it the world was a different place then it is now, I would prefer not to derail the thread with nuggets of info on Bloody Sunday etc so I will leave it there.

[tibilicus]

While it is tempting to draw parallels with the Northern Conflict I would advise against it the world was a different place then it is now, I would prefer not to derail the thread with nuggets of info on Bloody Sunday etc so I will leave it there.

Agreed, completely different in many ways. I simply wanted to draw attention to what is often the case of the USA being two faced on foreign affairs when it comes to pleasing certain sections of the US electorate.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Deadly weapons?

lol..

I also find it funny how the official US response and the response from certain US posters here has been "they deserved it". Tell me, your country was quick to condemn us (the UK) on Bloody Sunday and yet here your quite content to keep your mouths shut. Do successive US administrations and evidently some posters here find themselves excusing some actions but condemning others when it suits them?

Yes, deadly weapons. Go look at the videos. As for the violent activists who attacked soldiers with guns; that's what happens. I find it hard to be overcome with grief when the activists brought this on themselves by attacking, violently and en masse, soldiers with guns.

As for people accusing the US of being a puppet of Israel; guess which nation not only didn't veto but supported a UN resolution aimed at making the Middle East nuke free, aimed squarely at Israel (and ignoring Iran)?

CR