Israel kills to Maintain Blockade

[Fragony]

MUHA absolutely awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG...eature=channel

Sooooooooooooooooo incredibly true

Well done mia muca's, a bursting laugh and a sad tear from Holland.

We'll make the woooooooorld abandon reeeeeeeason

[Furunculus]

MUHA absolutely awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG...eature=channel

Sooooooooooooooooo incredibly true

Well done mia muca's, a bursting laugh and a sad tear from Holland.

We'll make the woooooooorld abandon reeeeeeeason

haha, i like the vid, good find.

[Husar]

Fraggles, not everybody here is saying that the people on the ship were peaceful teddybears, a lot of people are young or old and stupid at some point in their lives, if it means they had intercourse 200 of these uhm non-men or what they're called or got drunk every night, passed out twice every weekend and had bar brawls, it's a bragging right, if it means they had some ideals and went on a stupid relief ship and got worked up as a group it means they should be shot just because the israeli navy is too stupid to do a proper boarding operation???
There is such a thing as crowd control, handling procedures etc. in most countries but in Israel the MO seems to be just drop in some men, shoot some people if necessary, if thery clobber your men to death instead, get more men/blow up the entire ship or whatever they would have done next...
Is that really the best they can come up with?

So the next time some ultra-orthodox jews throw stones at other people trying to kill them, will/should the israeli police just shoot these idiots?

[Tellos Athenaios]

@Fragony: good find.
@Husar: agreed. What's so hard for Israeli navy that at least one half decent police force on the world pulls off in any given week at a local football match? Those hooligans aren't exactly peaceful supporters of their club either.

[Furunculus]

comparing this event to boarding a fishing vessel in the baltic of a crowd control event in the settlements is a VERY poor show all round.

it is accepted that it was a poorly conducted mission, but -

the 'peace' activists allegedly attempted to bring down the helicopter by attaching the fast-rope to the ship, this meant that the rope had to be cut, leaving the soldiers on the deck with no support and no exit from a mob wielding iron bars.
they were in mortal threat with only one means of surviving; the use of their side-arms. and thus did 'peace' activists die.

talks of people being murdered is rank stupidity and deserves a "Shut Up!"

[Tellos Athenaios]

comparing this event to boarding a fishing vessel in the baltic of a crowd control event in the settlements is a VERY poor show all round.

it is accepted that it was a poorly conducted mission, but -

No it isn't. If the Israeli's had put up a similar performance to crowd-control a bunch of hooligans they'd been attacked with metal bars, knives, and possibly even guns just the same way. If the Israeli's had put up a similar performance on a Russian vessel with a crew seriously pissed off about it that helicopter had probably been brought down because fishing vessels have numerous pieces of equipment to put an end to that sort of nonsense far too quickly for a rope to be cut.

So it's fail on a level that transcends this particular incident. It's fail that's so epic it can be used to define the notion of fail. Do you now see where I'm coming from?

they were in mortal threat with only one means of surviving; the use of their sidearms. and thus did 'peace' activists die.

talks of people being murdered is rank stupidity and deserves a "STFU!"

Obviously. I have not seen a single post condemning the individual soldiers who shot those “activists”, nor have I seen a single post that extolls the idea that the lynching of a few people is an OK thing to do when your ship is being boarded (or otherwise).

[Fragony]

Dear Hussie if everybody hates you no matter what you do, you better be as vicious as is unhumanly possible. Israel isn't, not even remotely. I would have sank each and every one of them, open a bottle of good wine once I got home, and never look back.

[Husar]

the 'peace' activists allegedly attempted to bring down the helicopter by attaching the fast-rope to the ship, this meant that the rope had to be cut, leaving the soldiers on the deck with support and no exit from a mob wielding iron bars.
they were in mortal threat with only one means of surviving; the use of their sidearms. and thus did 'peace' activists die.

Why use a helicopter in the first place? Because if they got 50km off the coast before a ship caught up they could have thrown their sticks and chairs onto israeli cities?

talks of people being murdered is rank stupidity and deserves a "STFU!"

They weren't being murdered, there are just people thinking that had the israeli navy not used a helicopter or stopped using a helicopter once they saw an angry mob down there, and then come with a big ship, pointed a few guns in the general direction of the mob, told them to calm down, then boarded the ship properly, this could have been prevented. Had the whole thing then happened in internationally agreed upon israeli territorial waters and the m,ob had still been angry and they had gunned down the whole angry mob, I'd say that's a clear-cut victory for israel and the mob was just stupid, but that's not what happened and I am certainly not to blame for it.

Dear Hussie if everybody hates you no matter what you do, you better be as vicious as is unhumanly possible. Israel isn't, not even remotely. I would have sank each and every one of them, open a bottle of good wine once I got home, and never look back.

Have you ever killed someone? Have you ever done something stupid?

[Fragony]

Have you ever killed someone?

No but I most certainly will if I have to, hopefully. For a country like Israel there is kinda more at stake than our salonfahige aproval stamp.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Dear Hussie if everybody hates you no matter what you do, you better be as vicious as is unhumanly possible. Israel isn't, not even remotely. I would have sank each and every one of them, open a bottle of good wine once I got home, and never look back.

Then I am sad for you, sir, very sad and will pray for the easing of your anger.

My previous pastor discussed this in a homily at the time of the Iraqi invasion. Taking a measure of satisfaction from defending your country or from the success of those defending your nation against a threat is appropriate -- as is thankfulness for the harms thereby prevented as well. But taking joy in such an event? That is a harm against your own soul and a discredit to the humanity of those who were harmed.

One should do what is needful, not revel in it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Fraggles, not everybody here is saying that the people on the ship were peaceful teddybears, a lot of people are young or old and stupid at some point in their lives,

if it means they had some ideals and went on a stupid relief ship and got worked up as a group it means they should be shot just because the israeli navy is too stupid to do a proper boarding operation???

There is such a thing as crowd control, handling procedures etc. in most countries but in Israel the MO seems to be just drop in some men, shoot some people

Is that really the best they can come up with?

So the next time some ultra-orthodox jews throw stones at other people trying to kill them, will/should the israeli police just shoot these idiots?