A two month ban? Where did that come from?
First of all, don’t bother reading this if you dont have an interest in backroom moderation. This post might be quite long.
So, I just recieved a two month ban. Let us have a quick look at my 3 latest bouts with the moderation staff.
When I logged on to be met by this I must admit I was quite flabbergasted. To be frank, I had no idea what the moderator talked about. Reading up in the backroom, I did find the answer, somewhat. One of the threads I suggested should be cross-read had been locked.Originally Posted by ModeratorXXX
However, the thread was locked AFTER I bumped this thread. In other words, the accusation that I would have bumped this other thread to “avoid the lock and re-initiate the flame war” must be seen as void. In a PM to above moderator, I did point out this issue of timing, asking him to have a look at the time of the lock compared to my post.
Might also be noted that I in NO WAY participated in the flame war in this other thread, so as to why I would have liked to re-initiate it, I have no idea. I also told the moderator this.
The reply I got was:
Why do I bring this up? Well, I must say that I think most of the org staff does a splendid job, this Moderator XXX however has over the years done quite a few decisions that I seriosly question.
With him, it feels like he makes up the rules as he goes. This of course makes it very hard for me not to break the rules, when they are made up on a whim.
Have another look at these PMs from him, though the reason for the infraction was completely invalid, the infraction still stood because the post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2502371
[/QUOTE]Bumping this for fun :)
Cross-read with the Israeli-murder-spree-on-international-waters-thread for a laugh...
Somehow was trolling?
I did not attack anyone, I did not make a statement. I think the post was, well, very harmless? Worth a warning, mmmmmmaybe. I do not see the reason for a warning, but if some Mod objects, I guess he could make one.
But then again, I must say that many signs has lead me to believe that this Moderator is after me for personal reasons more than anything else.
So, next bout with the Moderation staff?
Now this is how I imagine Moderation should be made. Short, to the point, understanding and very clear as of the matter. Also forgiving unless repeated.Dear Kadagar_AV,
You have received a warning at The Guild.
Reason:
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PM
Bad show Kadagar. "Religious and less educated" would have been a bit snide, but probably within bounds.
Phrasing it as you did ties the two together and is thereby insulting to those of us who are religious. Since this may have been an oversight operating as you are in a non-native language, I will simply warn you.
Be careful good sir.
I learnt the lesson, agreed with the moderators point, and moved on.
Must I say that this was from someone else than Moderator XXX? I have never had a problem with this moderator, at all.
Now, as to the matter of the reason for the ban:
I had two PMs waiting when I logged in:
Was I snide? Sure.Dear Kadagar_AV,
You have received an infraction at The Guild.
Reason: Minor
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However snide you make your comment and then try to disavow any intention, your post is intended both to insult and to provoke.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s).
Original Post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2505345
Using asterisks much are we?
As I usually say to toddlers and less brained when trying to teach them - use your words. I am of course not implying you would be less brained.
As to the claim that We all knew this beforhand - as you said Billy Joe and Leeann might not. Not really arguing your point, just saying that those people are out there, and they have a political impact. Sometimes more of a political impact than one would wish. And yes, you could change Billy Joe to Jimmy Håkansson (or whatever national country bumpkin name).
And as a PS: Try and diminish the use of lol when you support me, it diminishes my point.
I have had a small bout with a certain member the past weeks or so. When it started, I at once sent the member this PM:
I will not post his reply, mainly because it includes words that would not be permitted here. Rest assured though that it was not very friendly.Cease fire?
*waves a white flag*
I really do not have anything against you. Sometimes I see your posts as a tad juvenile, but god knows I have been younger too.
On that note, I admit I have been overly sarcastic towards you, to an sometimes insulting degree.
Kiss and make friends?
Why am I bringing this up? Well, I would like to have it noted that I absolutely had no intention to antagonize anyone on a personal level.
It was only after him attacking me one a personal level in multiple threads that my snide comments towards him started.
Now, I 100% agree that the snide comments did not contribute to a comfortable backroom atmosphere.
I was a bit fed up with this user, and let it show in my posts. I always however refrained from using bad language, and I tried to stay on topic. Breaking the backroom rules was thus very much NOT intentional.
But as I have noted before, not breaking the rules are hard when they are made up on a whim.
Now, if this mod would have WARNED me, I would not have had a problem with it. I would have adjusted my posting accordingly, and moved on.
Second post to meet me as I logged on?
I got a bit flabbergasted at this point. A two month ban without prior warning?Hello Kadagar_AV,
your recent conduct in Backroom discussions had the Backroom moderating staff come to the conclusion that it would be best to give you a two month time out from the Backroom.
Your posting style has become irritatingly anagonistic over the past weeks and it seems that you go out of your way just to drop snide remarks and make more or less veiled personal attacks - some leading to infractions, some close to it but certainly caustic enough to let tensions spill over to multiple threads.
I can only speculate about your motivation for this behaviour, but ultimately we can and will only consider what we see and that is the fact that your current attitude towards other patrons is neither appropriate nor is it acceptable in the Backroom.
XXX
(cc: Backroom staff)
I could have understood a two month ban if I, say, had been warned, or got infractions, and then still repeated the behaviour. Now, that would, in my book, be fair.
However, to simultaneosly tell me what the problem is and give me a two month ban doesnt really give me much chance to correct my behaviour, does it?
Had the PM about my snide remarks came a week ago, and I would have continued them, I could fully understand a two month ban.
However, given I had not broken (as I know) the backroom rules, it seems very strange indeed to be judged so harshly.
Of course, a two month ban might well be issued if, say, the poster did something MAJOR.
But I think anyone reading this will see that my “snide” remarks could have been dealt with with a friendly warning as soon as they started. I also think no one would deem my post as MAJOR. Not even the mod I believe has a personal grudge towards me, he himself labeled the infraction as minor.
Would I have been a mod, I would have asked both sides to step down. I would gladly have accepted that. Bear in mind, I was only snide because I had a lot of juvenile posting directed at me (you know the type: “you ******” LOL”).
Why do I care?
Often having loads of time at night at my work, I have come to like the backroom and the people who hang there.
I must say though, if this is the level of moderation, I dont really see a reason to continue hanging there.
As I said, I have noticed how it seems one mod has a grudge, as his PMs are usually questionable, to say the least. I have had no problem what so ever with any other mod.
And this two month ban? I will leave it to the reader to make up their own mind.
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