2010 World Cup Bracket Prediction Thread

**Secura** · 06-10-2010, 01:43

Joooray... if England are knocked out in the Round of Sixteen by Serbia, how do they miss six penalties?

Unless you're saying they miss one against the USA, one against Algeria, one against Slovakia and then three against Serbia? They're not that bad at them! xD

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**Jolt** · 06-10-2010, 02:42

Originally Posted by Secura

I base that final three on the fact that England currently hold the record for most penalties missed in a World Cup shootout (Lampard, Gerrard and Carragher against Portugal, Germany '06) and that I doubt any team would miss three and the shootout still be in a position to carry on unless the opposing team were equally as bad!

**Secura** · 06-10-2010, 02:47

They were absolutely god-awful penalties; Lampard and Gerrard are both prolific scorers from the spot for their clubs, particularly the former, and yet both miss one of the most crucial penalties they will ever take on the international stage. I can only think that the circumstances of Rooney's sending-off (let's be honest, Ronaldo was interfering with the officials) had taken their toll on Lamps and Stevie GBH, and thus they failed to convert.

Owen Hargreaves is a fantastic penalty-taker who always seems to place them just out of the goalkeeper's reach (see his effort during the Champion's League final in 2008; Cech didn't have a chance :3), shame he's not going to South Africa.

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**drone** · 06-10-2010, 02:52

Just to clarify, the tiebreaker for English penalties is for shanked kicks. Saved PKs don't count. If the keeper touches it, it doesn't count towards the total.

**Jolt** · 06-10-2010, 02:55

Ronaldo interfered like any other player does, especially when his teammate is stepped on. Rooney should have: Watched his step, then watched his manners then watched his mouth in front of the ref. They simply failed to convert because they bucked under the pressure and Ricardo guessed the sides. Simple.

**naut** · 06-10-2010, 05:19

Hmm. I'm leaning towards Ghana getting second spot in Group D over Australia. Having read up on their tactics, etc, they really stand a better chance than the defensive minded Aussies, even without Essien. I wish I made my predictions after doing that. Regardless that is a tight, tight group. With 4 very tactically aware sides, but Germany has all the flair this time, with Ozil, Khedira and Kroos. Plus they are the World Cup specialists (with players like Klose, Podolski and Schweinstieger).

Regardless, it really is Brazil's to lose. They are a solid unit, with fantastic tactics, much like Mourinho's at Inter last season. They may not have the flair of a typical Brazil side, but they control games, compress the space and are lightning fast on the break-away.

**Romanic** · 06-10-2010, 10:23

My humble picks

Edit: I forgot the tiebreakers, see next post.

**Romanic** · 06-10-2010, 10:43

Oops, I forgot the tie-breakers in my previous post, here's the updated version since edited posts are not legal.

Code:

  Groups       RoundOf16    Quarters    Semis    Finals    Semis     Quarters     RoundOf16      Groups
1A_France_____                                                                              __Argentina_1B
              |_France_____                                                    __Argentina_|
2B_Nigeria____|            |                                                  |            |_____Mexico_2A
                           |_France_____                          __Argentina_|
1C_England____             |            |                        |            |             ____Germany_1D
              |_England____|            |_Brazil_____            |            |____Germany_|
2D_Serbia_____|                         |                        |                         |________USA_2C
                                        |      ___Brazil___      |
1E_Holland____                          |                        |                          ______Italy_1F
              |_Holland____             |            ______Italy_|             _Italy______|
2F_Slovakia___|            |            |                        |            |            |____Denmark_2E
                           |_Brazil_____|                        |______Italy_|
1G_Brazil_____             |                                                  |             ______Spain_1H
              |_Brazil_____|                                                  |______Spain_|
2H_Chile______|                                                                            |___Portugal_2G

Tiebreakers
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 149
2: Total Number of Red Cards (straight up or 2 yellows) in Tournament: 23
3: Golden Boot winner: Grafite
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": New Zealand
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 2

**Joooray** · 06-10-2010, 11:56

Originally Posted by Secura

Joooray... if England are knocked out in the Round of Sixteen by Serbia, how do they miss six penalties?

I didn't really think that through.

Well I'll change it, also I wasn't only the missed PKs.

Thanks for pointing it out.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 06-10-2010, 22:16

Next to this excellent pre-tournament game, there is also the in-game prediction game!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...p-Thread/page3

Time to cast your predictions for the first matchday(s). Already, as we speak, those who think themselves knowkledgeable about anything football are having bitter arguments about who's right or wrong. This time, however, the Tavern will offer an objective measure about that.

Time for you all to join the fray and show the world who really knows his footy!

**LittleGrizzly** · 06-11-2010, 00:52

Tiebreakers
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 135
2: Total Number of Red Cards (straight up or 2 yellows) in Tournament: 19
3: Golden Boot winner: Rooney
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": New Zealand
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 1

Okay I really can't get my head around trying to use that format....

1A France VS Nigeria 2B (2B ?, second in group B)
1B Argentina VS 2A Uruguay

1C England VS 2D Serbia
1D Germany VS 2C USA

1E Netherlands VS 2F Paraguay
1F Italy VS 2E Denmark

1G Brazil VS 2H Chile
1H Spain VS 2G Portugal

Qaurters

England VS France

Argentina VS Germany

Netherlands VS Brazil

Italy VS Spain

Semis

England VS Brazil

Germany VS Spain

Final

England VS Spain

England beating Brazil is all about patrioitism... just don't have it in me to say they wont do it, never ever underestimate the Germans they're just like the Italians only with some German-ness that takes them over the top...

ohh and a winner ?
my brain tells me the Germans on penaltys my heart tells me England are going to take the thing 4-2 in extra time, with a hattrick from rooney sealing the golden boot (patriotism and loyalty the bane of football prediction!)

Winner

England!

Edit: even though you cant underestimate the Germans you can overestimate them, semi final place rather than final

Also Brazil for 3rd spot!

**drone** · 06-11-2010, 03:16

If my time math is correct, 12 hours til the start of play. So fill out your bracket or make final edits!

**Marshal Murat** · 06-11-2010, 03:42

1A France VS Nigeria 2B
1B Argentina VS 2A South Africa

1C England VS 2D Serbia
1D Germany VS 2C USA

1E Netherlands VS 2F Slovenia
1F Italy VS 2E Denmark

1G Brazil VS 2H Chile
1H Spain VS 2G Portugal

Quarters

England VS France

South Africa VS United States

Netherlands VS Brazil

Italy VS Spain

Semis

England VS Netherlands

South Africa VS Spain

Final

England VS South Africa

Invictus, the Sequel, "Boer War Revenge"

**LeftEyeNine** · 06-11-2010, 10:40

Okay, after having waited for the last minute to grab the latest news about who's out or not, here is my prediction table.

You may think I'm odd but I've spent 4 hours on the following table, checking every other player the teams have, taking looks at the statistics they bear and so on.

So, ladies and gentlemen, hereby I shall present you the prediction table of the renowned footy god LEN.

Group Stage Qualifiers

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Round of 16

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Quarter Finals

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Semi-finals

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Third Place

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Final

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Winners

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I had to make predictions on scores of every other match in the group stages so as to be able to figure out who'll make out as the 1st or 2nd and/or who'll be left out as the 3rd where points, or even the goal differences against each other, are equal. I can give out scores if you'd like to or should I save it for the other WC thread ?

Anyway, good luck.

**drone** · 06-11-2010, 17:11

Summaries of picks, let me know if I screwed up.

johnhughthom

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Sasaki Kojiro

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Louis VI the Fat

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woad&fangs

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AggonyDuck

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Psychonaut

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

Code:

Grps   Ro16         1/4            1/2                 Final             1/2           1/4           Ro16   Grps
1A___Mexico____                                                                                ___Argentina___1B
               |___Mexico____                                                     __Argentina_|
2B___Nigeria___|             |                                                   |            |______France___2A
                             |___England___                          __Germany___|
1C___England____             |             |                        |            |             _____Germany___1D
                |___England__|             |___Brazil___            |            |__Germany___|
2D___Australia__|                          |                        |                         |_________USA___2C
                                           |         Brazil         |
1E___Netherlands_                          |                        |                          _______Italy___1F
                 |_Netherlands_            |            ____Spain___|             ____Italy___|
2F___Paraguay____|             |           |                        |            |            |_____Denmark___2E
                               |___Brazil__|                        |____Spain___|
1G___Brazil___                 |                                                 |              ______Spain___1H
              |___Brazil_______|                                                 |_____Spain___|
2H___Chile____|                                                                                |___Portugal___2G

Tiebreakers
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 157
2: Total Number of Red Cards (straight up or 2 yellows) in Tournament: 18
3: Golden Boot winner: Luís Fabiano
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": South Africa
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 1

Secura

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drone

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Elite Ferret

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Strike For The South

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Joooray

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Craterus

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Romanic

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LittleGrizzly

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Marshal Murat

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LeftEyeNine

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I still need tiebreak answers from LEN and Marshal Murat.

**LeftEyeNine** · 06-11-2010, 18:12

I have forgot my notebook at the office so I can't sum up the scores I have predicted right now nor tomorrow. If you can wait till Monday for it, then I can join in. If not, you can count me out; I have done this prediction table as a continuation of my habit not for the game specifically.

**Marshal Murat** · 06-11-2010, 18:14

1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 120
2: Total Number of Red Cards (straight up or 2 yellows) in Tournament: 12
3: Golden Boot winner: Rooney
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": Paraguay
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 1

**drone** · 06-11-2010, 18:56

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

I have forgot my notebook at the office so I can't sum up the scores I have predicted right now nor tomorrow. If you can wait till Monday for it, then I can join in. If not, you can count me out; I have done this prediction table as a continuation of my habit not for the game specifically.

I don't really have a problem with waiting til Monday for the tiebreaks. Your group placement selections are different enough from everyone else where it probably won't matter anyway.

**Romanic** · 06-12-2010, 11:54

Grafite isn't even on the starting 11 and I'm picking him for the Golden Boot, shows how well I follow international football. Meh.

**drone** · 06-16-2010, 20:03

After the first set of group games, tiebreaker updates:
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 25
2: Total Number of Red Cards (straight up or 2 yellows) in Tournament: 4
3: Golden Boot winner: Nobody with more than 1 goal
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": Australia
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 0

**drone** · 06-21-2010, 21:55

After the second set of group games, tiebreaker updates:
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 69
2: Total Number of Red Cards (straight up or 2 yellows) in Tournament: 8
3: Golden Boot winner: Gonzalo Higuaín (3)
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": North Korea
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 0

Better scoring in the second round of games, we are now at 2.16 goals per game, up from 1.56 from the first set of games. I'll post the updated bracket scores after the final games on Friday.

**LeftEyeNine** · 06-21-2010, 22:08

Hello drone, if any tie-breakers are needed, I lose.

**Secura** · 06-21-2010, 22:52

Originally Posted by drone

4: Wooden Spoon "winner": North Korea

I have to say that I don't agree with this; they may have been drubbed 7-0, but they have scored a goal and gave Brazil a very good game; they're also in a very tough group where they're unhighly likely to come out with anything at all. On the other hand, Honduras haven't gotten off the mark yet with points or goals yet, haven't looked likely to either; the scorelines of both games have flattered them, because Spain and Chile both should have scored alot more than they did. They're in a fairly open group in my opinion; you'd expect Spain to top it, but beyond that, the other three teams are on relatively equal footing compared to the Group of Death.

Just my own opinion, though.

**drone** · 06-21-2010, 23:26

I'm just going by group points, then goal diff, then goals scored. And anything can happen in the final set of games. I seriously doubt this contest will be decided at Wooden Spoon.

**drone** · 06-25-2010, 21:53

The knock-out stage bracket and tiebreakers after group play:

Code:

  Groups       RoundOf16    Quarters    Semis    Finals    Semis     Quarters     RoundOf16      Groups
1A__Uruguay___                                                                              __Argentina_1B
              |____________                                                    ____________|
2B__S Korea___|            |                                                  |            |___Mexico___2A
                           |____________                          ____________|
1C____USA_____             |            |                        |            |             ___Germany__1D
              |____________|            |____________            |            |____________|
2D___Ghana____|                         |                        |                         |___England__2C
                                        |                        |
1E_Netherlands                          |                        |                          __Paraguay__1F
              |____________             |            ____________|             ____________|
2F__Slovakia__|            |            |                        |            |            |____Japan___2E
                           |____________|                        |____________|
1G___Brazil___             |                                                  |             ____Spain___1H
              |____________|                                                  |____________|
2H___Chile____|                                                                            |__Portugal__2G

Tiebreakers
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 101
2: Total Number of Red Cards in Tournament: 13
3: Golden Boot winner: Gonzalo Higuaín, Robert Vittek, David Villa (3)
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": North Korea
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 0

Bracket scores so far:
(X advanced + Y correct side) * 1 (Group Points multiplier) = total points
johnhughthom 11 + 8 = 19
Sasaki Kojiro 9 + 9 = 18
Louis VI the Fat 10 + 8 = 18
woad&fangs 13 + 11 = 24
AggonyDuck 13 + 9 = 22
Psychonaut 11 + 7 = 18
Secura 11 + 7 = 18
drone 12 + 10 = 22
Elite Ferret 10 + 9 = 19
Strike For The South 9 + 9 = 18
Joooray 10 + 7 = 17
Craterus 11 + 8 = 19
Romanic 11 + 9 = 20
LittleGrizzly 11 + 7 = 18
Marshal Murat 10 + 8 = 18
LeftEyeNine 9 + 4 = 13

I think these are correct, I will double check them later. woad&fangs is in the lead, missing 3 advancements (picked South Africa, Nigeria, and Cameroon) and had England 1st, USA 2nd in Group C.

Edit-> sorry for the code tag colors, it worked when I started this thread...

**woad&fangs** · 06-25-2010, 22:09

That was unexpected

**drone** · 06-29-2010, 21:42

The knock-out stage bracket and tiebreakers after the Rof16 play:

Code:

  Groups       RoundOf16    Quarters    Semis    Finals    Semis     Quarters     RoundOf16      Groups
1A__Uruguay___                                                                              __Argentina_1B
              |__Uruguay___                                                    __Argentina_|
2B__S Korea___|            |                                                  |            |___Mexico___2A
                           |____________                          ____________|
1C____USA_____             |            |                        |            |             ___Germany__1D
              |___Ghana____|            |____________            |            |___Germany__|
2D___Ghana____|                         |                        |                         |___England__2C
                                        |                        |
1E_Netherlands                          |                        |                          __Paraguay__1F
              |_Netherlands             |            ____________|             __Paraguay__|
2F__Slovakia__|            |            |                        |            |            |____Japan___2E
                           |____________|                        |____________|
1G___Brazil___             |                                                  |             ____Spain___1H
              |___Brazil___|                                                  |____Spain___|
2H___Chile____|                                                                            |__Portugal__2G

Tiebreakers
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 101 + 22 = 123
2: Total Number of Red Cards in Tournament: 13 + 1 = 14
3: Golden Boot winner: Gonzalo Higuaín, David Villa, Robert Vittek (4)
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": North Korea
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 0, so disappointed...

Bracket scores so far:
Group Stage Points + (X advanced + Y correct side) * 2 (Rof16 Points multiplier) = total points
johnhughthom 19 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 39
Sasaki Kojiro 18 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 38
Louis VI the Fat 18 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 38
woad&fangs 24 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 44
AggonyDuck 22 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 42
Psychonaut 18 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 38
Secura 18 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 38
drone 22 + (4 + 4) * 2 = 38
Elite Ferret 19 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 39
Strike For The South 18 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 38
Joooray 17 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 37
Craterus 19 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 39
Romanic 20 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 40
LittleGrizzly 18 + (5 + 5) * 2 = 38
Marshal Murat 18 + (3 + 3) * 2 = 30
LeftEyeNine 13 + (5 + 3) * 2 = 29

Just about everyone had Holland, Brazil, Argentina, Germany, and Spain through (and on the right side of the brackets), and no one had more than 5 correct, so not too much separation from this round. woad&fangs still in the lead, with AggonyDuck 2 points back.

**drone** · 07-07-2010, 22:25

The knock-out stage bracket and tiebreakers up to the Final:

Code:

  Groups       RoundOf16    Quarters    Semis    Finals    Semis     Quarters     RoundOf16      Groups
1A__Uruguay___                                                                              __Argentina_1B
              |__Uruguay___                                                    __Argentina_|
2B__S Korea___|            |                                                  |            |___Mexico___2A
                           |__Uruguay___                          ___Germany__|
1C____USA_____             |            |                        |            |             ___Germany__1D
              |___Ghana____|            |_Netherlands            |            |___Germany__|
2D___Ghana____|                         |                        |                         |___England__2C
                                        |                        |
1E_Netherlands                          |                        |                          __Paraguay__1F
              |_Netherlands             |            ____Spain___|             __Paraguay__|
2F__Slovakia__|            |            |                        |            |            |____Japan___2E
                           |_Netherlands|                        |____Spain___|
1G___Brazil___             |                                                  |             ____Spain___1H
              |___Brazil___|                                                  |____Spain___|
2H___Chile____|                                                                            |__Portugal__2G

Tiebreakers
1: Total Goals Scored in Tournament (not including shootout PKs): 101 + 22 + 10 + 6 = 139
2: Total Number of Red Cards in Tournament: 13 + 1 + 2 + 0 = 16
3: Golden Boot winner: David Villa, Wesley Sneijder (5)
4: Wooden Spoon "winner": North Korea
5: Number of shanked PKs by England (missed, not saved, in game and in shootouts): 0, so disappointed...

Bracket scores up to the final:
Group Stage Points + Rof16 Points + (X Advanced + Y correct side) * 4 (Quarters multiplier) + (X advanced + Y correct side) * 8 (Semis multiplier)= total points
johnhughthom 19 + 20 + (1 + 1) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 63
Sasaki Kojiro 18 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (0 + 0) * 8 = 54
Louis VI the Fat 18 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 70
woad&fangs 24 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (2 + 2) * 8 = 92
AggonyDuck 22 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (0 + 0) * 8 = 58
Psychonaut 18 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 70
Secura 18 + 20 + (3 + 3) * 4 + (2 + 2) * 8 = 94
drone 22 + 16 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 70
Elite Ferret 19 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 71
Strike For The South 18 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 70
Joooray 17 + 20 + (3 + 3) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 77
Craterus 19 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 71
Romanic 20 + 20 + (0 + 0) * 4 + (0 + 0) * 8 = 40
LittleGrizzly 18 + 20 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (1 + 1) * 8 = 70
Marshal Murat 18 + 12 + (2 + 2) * 4 + (0 + 0) * 8 = 46
LeftEyeNine 13 + 16 + (1 + 0) * 4 + (1 + 0) * 8 = 41

Good predictions by Secura for the quarter- and semi-final results gets her into the lead, with woad&fangs just behind. Obviously, those hours spent playing FIFA Manager have paid dividends. They both have Spain for the winner, so anyone with Holland and 62+ points still has a chance. Which apparently means just me.

Players that can still gain points:

Secura: 94 + Spain
woad&fangs: 92 + Spain
Elite Ferret: 71 + Spain
drone: 70 + Netherlands

Players with no more live selections:

Joooray: 77
Craterus: 71
Louis VI the Fat: 70
Psychonaut: 70
Strike For The South: 70
LittleGrizzly: 70
johnhughthom: 63
AggonyDuck: 58
Sasaki Kojiro: 54
Marshal Murat: 46
LeftEyeNine: 41
Romanic: 40

**Secura** · 07-08-2010, 22:49

Come on Spain, don't let me down! :D

Although, even if they don't win, I'd still be really proud to come as high up as I have!

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 07-08-2010, 23:07

hmm, I think I need the USA to win the final to have any chance.

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