Originally Posted by Rules
Removed: Write-up clues. No puzzles or hints in these. (Focus should be on standard mafia solving techniques)
There has to be some clues in the writeups, no matter what the above says.
For example, we know from the writeup that the Big Bad killed each day so far (The Big Bad is represented by the blue vortex picture). That's a clue right there.
We also know that someone else, flying a ship has killed on day 1 and day 3, that's another clue. It's a ship (it's not Santa Claus with his reindeer sleigh!).
Then when Chaotix is killed by this ship, and it says ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP, it could be another clue.
Panther Caroso is a member of Star Wolf. He becomes infatuated with Krystal at the Sargasso Region, and when Fox fires her in Star Fox Command, Krystal turns to Panther and the rest of Star Wolf.
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Panther pilots the Black Rose, which looks somewhat like the Wolfen II seen in Star Fox 64. It is armed with the Zapper, a powerful but slow-firing laser.
I'm with Chaotix here, the Zapper, as he said, is Panther Caroso's signature weapon and Panther is with the Star Wolf team. They likely killed 2 of us, and I'm hearing talk about how could Star Wolf possibly be pro-town. I suggest that you read the Wiki like I did, or at least listen to Chaotix, he knows about this stuff.
The Star Wolf team is very possibly our second enemy.
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On the other matter, Beskar vs Pinman, I don't like how people are ready to wash their hands and lynch an inactive (Stuck in Pi) instead of picking a side. And I don't like how TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar, convince people and make shady deals to accomplish all this, just for the possibility that Star Wolf is pro-town (when he's likely not).
According to some background information that ATPG sent me to help me understand the game, Star Wolf teamed up with Star Fox to destroy some evil force known as the Aparoids.
With the help of Wolf O'Donnell, who is able to swallow his pride and work with Star Fox for the sake of the Lylat System, and the rest of the Star Wolf team, Corneria City is rescued from total destruction
This seems like a similar situation, so it would be foolish to potentially kill such a powerful Anti-Big-Bad force. So I say we lynch Pinman, either he's telling the truth and we have identified one of our most powerful resources, or he's lying and we kill a mafia.
According to some background information that ATPG sent me to help me understand the game, Star Wolf teamed up with Star Fox to destroy some evil force known as the Aparoids.
This seems like a similar situation, so it would be foolish to potentially kill such a powerful Anti-Big-Bad force. So I say we lynch Pinman, either he's telling the truth and we have identified one of our most powerful resources, or he's lying and we kill a mafia.
Looking at it the other way, he claims investigator, the accepted practice has been to lynch their target, since in a game like this, roles are revealed. If Beskar is, I believe it will show in the writeup his affiliation. I don't believe he is pro town.
Originally Posted by TosaInu
The org will be org until everyone calls it a day.
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
but I joke. Some of my best friends are Vietnamese villages.
Originally Posted by Lemur
Anyone who wishes to refer to me as peverlemur is free to do so.
By the way, if a person who does not know anything about Star Fox may say anything around here, who could be the bad guys if Venomians and Star Wolf aren't evil?
Just give Pinman one more night to prove him self.
Its still early phase of the game, and we can afford to make some mistakes hoping for a greater good
Originally Posted by Beskar
Beefy, you are a silly moo moo at times, aren't you?
General Pepper: There are rumors of strange activity on Aquas! Perhaps the enemy has a hidden base there.
Fox McCloud: We'll check it out. All wings, report in!
Stage Four: Ocean Planet Aquas
Good luck!
You can watch this video for fun, but it doesn't quite fit into the story.
Instead, click on the music below it to accompany the writeup. Watch this video afterward if you want.
Wolf O'Donnell: Nice of you to show up late to the party. Seems like I've done all the work for you.... that means I should get to claim all the reward.
Fox McCloud: What are you talking about?
Wolf O'Donnell: Open your eyes, fool! Don't look now, but you're about to get pulverized.
Fox McCloud: Huh? What?
Out of what seemed like thin air, homing missiles emerged and headed straight for Fox's ship. A quick vertical loop maneuver and Fox was in the clear.
Wolf O'Donnell: Try staying awake next time, Fox. Leave this to more experienced fighter pilots. You might be good, but I'm better.
Fox and Peppy began to engage the cloaked vessel at close range.
Wolf O'Donnell: What do you think you're doing? I don't need any of your help.
Fox McCloud: That's too bad, because you're about to get it.
Peppy Hare: The scanners can't see anything. Aim for the open spot, where the missiles are emerging. That might be a weakness in the cloaking shield.
Fox McCloud: I'm on it!
Wolf O'Donnell: Hey! I thought of that first! *snarl* How do you think we've been able to keep up with a cloaked ship firing homing torpedoes, you amateurs?
Fox McCloud: Excuse us for trying.
Wolf O'Donnell: Why don't you leave before you get hurt?
Fox McCloud: Why don't you focus on your own ship? Homing missile on your six.
Wolf O'Donnell: What?
Fox McCloud: I'll take care of it.
*ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP*
Wolf O'Donnell: No way! I don't believe it! ......Why don't you go bother someone else for a while?
Fox McCloud: That's gratitude for you.
Wolf O'Donnell: If you're going to be here, at least shut up and follow my lead. Otherwise, get out of my way.
Fox McCloud: Ha.... whatever you say, Wolf.
Wolf O'Donnell: Now it's time to show you cadets how it's done. All craft, fire on my mark!
The Star Wolf team opened fire on the enemy vessel, hitting it right in the missile launcher, causing it to explode. The cloaking shields dropped, revealing a massive warship with enough firepower to destroy every major city on Corneria, and enough fighter craft to take on the entire Cornerian Army.
Wolf O'Donnell's Wolfen fighter fired plasma at the back of the attack carrier, damaging it's shield generator. He then dropped low to the surface and executed a perfect barrel roll underneath the craft, then a vertical loop around the back of Fox's Arwing, blasting all the missiles to smithereens. Then, he performed a corkscrew maneuver and ended up directly in front of fox, aimed at the attack carrier's hangar compartment. The fighter craft inside, and all of their engine reactors, missiles, and other dangerous materials, exploded in violent succession.
Wolf O'Donnell: Get out of my way, Star Fox.
Fox McCloud: I guess I'll take out the other missile launcher.
Fox performed a corkscrew maneuver and ended up side-by-side with Wolf, and fired his blue hyper lasers at the enemy craft. The missile launcher promptly broke off from the craft, leaving only the core of the giant ship intact.
Pinman: You are starting to annoy me! I'll crush you!
Wolf O'Donnell: Is that all you do, is talk?
Pinman: Fire all weapons! Destroy those cocky little punks!
Wolf O'Donnell: What did you just call me?
The attack carrier began firing a steady stream of flaming projectiles at the fighter craft, and began flying around at high speed attempting to crash into them.
Peppy Hare: Watch out, Fox!
Wolf O'Donnell: Evasive maneuvers. Star Wolf team, it is time to leave. Get out of here. I'll handle the rest.
Fox McCloud: I'll cover you....
Wolf O'Donnell: Nice try, fox, but this one is mine. Now give me some space, and I'll school you on how to fly.
Fox McCloud: Okay big guy, suit yourself.... All craft, break away....
Fox, Peppy, and the Great Fox break formation and enter the upper atmosphere, then watch what happens at a safe distance.
Wolf O'Donnell: Now that the extras have left the stage, it's time for the dramatic fight between the only pilot that really knows how to fly, and some overgrown amphibian who's way out of his league.
Pinman: You? You furry little worm.... I'll destroy you in ways you can't even begin to-
Wolf O'Donnell: SHUT UP!!!
Wolf destroyed the remaining weapons systems on the Attack Carrier. Then, he blasted a massive hole in the bridge of the starship.
Wolf O'Donnell: I want to look you in the eye before I finish you...
Pinman: Who... are you???
Wolf O'Donnell:I..... AM..... STAR WOLF!!!!!
Pinman: You'll never defeat Andross!!!!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Enemies destroyed: 1
Pinman- Attack Carrier
Pinman: Well fought..... well fought...... but don't congratulate yourselves just yet. This party's only just begun!
Official tally:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, Flax, Double A, Beskar
Beskar: (7) landlubber, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Frozen in Ice, Pinman
Did Not Vote: (8) (Joooray, Krill, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Winston Hughes , YLC)
Alive: (35/44)
Alexander the Pretty Good
ArpeggiateTHIS
Autolycus
Beefy187
Beskar
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
Double A
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
hell_hound
johnhughthom
Joooray
Khazaar
Krill
landlubber
merciary
Miotas
Nictel
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Renata
Rob_the_Celt
Secura
Seon
Skooma Addict
splitpersonality
Stuck in Pi
TheFlax
pevergreen
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Dead: (9/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot Romanic- Falco Lombardi Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Out of this Dimension: (1/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Begin Night Four
Night ends at 2359 today unless I don't get all orders in.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 06-25-2010 at 07:22.
Do we? How do you know? The Big Bad is on the other side of a vortex, who knows what's behind. And I could see some of us in a star base instead of a ship.
Anyway, that's not my point. We know that this killer is not the Big Bad because it's a ship (and not a vortex).
There has to be some clues in the writeups, no matter what the above says.
For example, we know from the writeup that the Big Bad killed each day so far (The Big Bad is represented by the blue vortex picture). That's a clue right there.
We also know that someone else, flying a ship has killed on day 1 and day 3, that's another clue. It's a ship (it's not Santa Claus with his reindeer sleigh!).
Oh please, don't be obtuse. Of course the number of kills is useful information and of course the big bad has one kill per night, that's the kind of information you'd get in any game. I'd even agree that kills using the same method are most likely done by the same person/group.
Originally Posted by Romanic
Then when Chaotix is killed by this ship, and it says ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP, it could be another clue.
(reference: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Panther)
I'm with Chaotix here, the Zapper, as he said, is Panther Caroso's signature weapon and Panther is with the Star Wolf team. They likely killed 2 of us, and I'm hearing talk about how could Star Wolf possibly be pro-town. I suggest that you read the Wiki like I did, or at least listen to Chaotix, he knows about this stuff.
The Star Wolf team is very possibly our second enemy.
This is were it goes too far, that's specifically the kind of clue ATPG would add in other games, but he said he'd refrain in this one. ATPG wanted us to relie on standard mafia hunting techniques, that mostly mean analyzing thread behavior. It could very well be that ATPG is including false positives for all we know. There was also the fact ATPG made this post saying we can avoid reading the writeups and not miss something.
What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.
Originally Posted by Romanic
On the other matter, Beskar vs Pinman, I don't like how people are ready to wash their hands and lynch an inactive (Stuck in Pi) instead of picking a side. And I don't like how TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar, convince people and make shady deals to accomplish all this, just for the possibility that Star Wolf is pro-town (when he's likely not).
Explain to me why do we need to pick a side in the Beskar v. Pinman debate now? How can you be sure lynching even one of them is a good choice? Also, I'm really disliking the way you're painting me here. "TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar." That's not exactly true, now is it? I'm also going out of my way to try to avoid Pinman getting lynched also. As the insitgator of the bandwagon against him, if I really wanted only Beskar to live, I could have continued leaning on Pinman, but I think that's a bad idea. As for the likelyness of Starwolf being town, from what I understand of the setup, its very possible, though I can't say I'm sure.
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
TheFlax needs to die on principle. No townie should even be that scummy.
I would like to point out the most nonsensical vote in this entire round.
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I hate to place a vote when I'm not sure I'll be around to move it, but Beskar, you really need to put up or shut up at this point. Claim your role and your goals.
I do not wish to lynch stuck in pi as he is no longer inactive
Voting for Pinman is absurd if he truly is a scanner
Voting for Beskar if he truly is a power neutral role. How long does it take people to realise that neutral means neutral and does not mean evil!
Neutral means they aren't pro-town. Which means they're evil, assuming you want the town to win. Vote: Beskar
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What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.
You're not the only person that's stated this, and it seems increasingly plausible each time I see it; I see no sense in lynching a scanner (particularly one who has had claims verified), and no sense in lynching Beskar (if he is Wolf) when there's a possibility he could be of use against the Big Bad.
vote: abstain
There's something that's been niggling at me as I read over the last few pages though; why does a standard Cornerian have a ship-scanning ability?
You see, I would guess that each and every player has a ship of some kind, be it Arwing, Wolfen, Cornerian, Venomian or whatever... everyone except the Big Bad, at least, who we assume to be this vortex thing, so it's possible that a player who turns up no results from a ship scanner is the Big Bad; such an ability might be the only means to find said adversary, so why does a Cornerian have those means and not Fox, Falco or others?
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1. I am claiming to have a scan ability, and have provided ample evidence of this ability. It should be fairly obvious to all concerned that Beskar is in fact Star Wolf. To top that off, I have also correctly told TheFlax his role (Although, of course, this could be guessed).
Anybody doubting the scan ability is simply paranoid.
2. I have claimed to be a simple Cornerian - which seems to be implausable. I have not, because there is no way too during this phase, provided any evidence to support this claim. However, it is a simple matter of waiting till the night phase to check this out.
In the meantime, given the (very minimal) uncertainty surrounding the alllignment of Star Wolf, we can wait and lynch an inactive.
Pinman laid his cards out on the table. If we lynch Beskar, and he's not Star Wolf, Pinman is next. There is no way to twist the truth. A Beskar lynch will give us concrete information on Pinman.
Beskar on the other hand has said nothing which could be proven false tonight by lynchin Pinman. If Pinman is lynched and revealed to be a scanner, Beskar will get a chance tomorrow to twist the news to his side. E.G. yes I'm Star Wolf, but I'm not bad. Or if Pinman's death doesnt show a clear reveal, Beskie's off the hook without much of a defense.
Beskar - if you're really pro town then either confirm or deny that you're Wolf O'Donnel. At the very least that will either confirm Pinman as investigator or accuse him of lies. I encourage everyone to put pressure on Beskar to claim by voting for him.
What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.
I haven't looked at Rubicon until now, and from what I gathered there was two factions, Ceasarians and Pompeians, fighting against each other for victory, without any bad guys around. This one here is different, with the Big Bad around.
I can imagine a setup pitting Star Fox vs Star Wolf, with the Venomians stuck in the middle, with a possibility to pick either side. It is now obvious to me why you are strongly suggesting... er what you are suggesting. Let's drop this debate, and we'll see how things develop, but Cornerians shouldn't dismiss the possibility that Star Wolf is our enemy.
Originally Posted by TheFlax
Explain to me why do we need to pick a side in the Beskar v. Pinman debate now?
Procrastination is rarely good, and tomorrow may bring something new that will require out attention. Resolving this today is best, otherwise the same questions will resurface tomorrow.
Originally Posted by TheFlax
How can you be sure lynching even one of them is a good choice?
I'm not. How can you be sure that keeping both alive is a good choice?
Originally Posted by TheFlax
Also, I'm really disliking the way you're painting me here.
I'm painting you the way I see it. You appear to be sticking your nose somewhere you don't belong. I would rather see Beskar and Pinman fight each other than having a diplomat coming out of nowhere to resolve delay the matter. How can we be sure of anything if you work the arguments and the solution with them?
I haven't looked at Rubicon until now, and from what I gathered there was two factions, Ceasarians and Pompeians, fighting against each other for victory, without any bad guys around. This one here is different, with the Big Bad around.
I can imagine a setup pitting Star Fox vs Star Wolf, with the Venomians stuck in the middle, with a possibility to pick either side. It is now obvious to me why you are strongly suggesting... er what you are suggesting. Let's drop this debate, and we'll see how things develop, but Cornerians shouldn't dismiss the possibility that Star Wolf is our enemy.
Procrastination is rarely good, and tomorrow may bring something new that will require out attention. Resolving this today is best, otherwise the same questions will resurface tomorrow.
I'm not. How can you be sure that keeping both alive is a good choice?
I'm painting you the way I see it. You appear to be sticking your nose somewhere you don't belong. I would rather see Beskar and Pinman fight each other than having a diplomat coming out of nowhere to resolve delay the matter. How can we be sure of anything if you work the arguments and the solution with them?
Procrastination can be a good thing, particularly with collecting evidence to back a claim. If you're unsure about someone it's not a bad idea to allow them to make a mistake on their own, or possibly prove their innocence. I have sent a few innocent players home early due to premature action, purely ignorance on my part. I would like to avoid that here if possible. Keeping them both alive for now, I believe, is a better decision then lynching either one. The situation is odd to say the least. Pinman claims to be a normal cornie town with scanning abilities and that besker is star wolf, which doesn't really mean too much since we don't have supporting evidence that star wolf is pro-mafia this game. On the other hand, beskar is cunningly dodging the question with redirects. The truth will be made known in due time. We should be focusing on stopping who is actually killing us, and what paths to take to get to that end. The info thread states that our winning condition is to eliminate the big bad along with other hostile forces. Nights 1 and 3 there were two kills when night 2 had only one. I think it's likely there's another faction attacking us, possibly even misguided vig kills, or perhaps an aggressive neutral if such a thing exists. Though to a degree, I do agree with your perspective on private arrangements. I feel that discussions done privately are more detrimental then helpful due to the fact that you no longer have the resources of every town player being able to analyze and dissect the subtleties of the conversation. Right now, I think we are at a stand still. You want action instead of stagnation and normally that would work for the towns benefit in the end, but I do not feel strongly that acting on either candidate will pay off just yet. I would like more time and info. I think right now we can still afford to bide our time. Vote: Abstain Only to possibly prevent the two proposed power roles in question from being lynched and I would ask those who have not voted yet to do so before it is too late. We need the efforts and opinions of everyone.
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There has to be some clues in the writeups, no matter what the above says.Originally Posted by Rules
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Originally Posted by Romanic
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Pinman: You'll never defeat Andross!!!!
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