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Beefy IIRC was lynched, so town and Star Fox, killed him. Enough mistakes and missteps to go around, so stop the bickering about them please. We need to focus on our main objective, finding Andross.
I also think that he must be hiding among the replacement players or a CFC player. So I will
Vote: DIY for now.
I also think that he must be hiding among the replacement players or a CFC player. So I will
Vote: DIY for now.
Originally Posted by Double A:
RAGE
Dude, not ONE of your core team members has been killed. And for whatever reason, everyone but Peppy is dead on our team.
RAGE
Dude, not ONE of your core team members has been killed. And for whatever reason, everyone but Peppy is dead on our team.
Originally Posted by Choxorn:
I agree, simply because there's no reason at all why the mafia have allowed Beskar to live this long, no reason why they haven't random-killed at least one Star Wolf Member while they've managed to kill nearly every Star Fox Member, and no reason why he shouldn't have found at least one more of them yet. Even in Return of the Sith, the Sith killed Beskar eventually, because, lynchbait or not, leaving a pro-town power role alive for a long time is dangerous.
Lynch Beskar! Who's with me?I agree, simply because there's no reason at all why the mafia have allowed Beskar to live this long, no reason why they haven't random-killed at least one Star Wolf Member while they've managed to kill nearly every Star Fox Member, and no reason why he shouldn't have found at least one more of them yet. Even in Return of the Sith, the Sith killed Beskar eventually, because, lynchbait or not, leaving a pro-town power role alive for a long time is dangerous.
Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer:
Lynch Beskar! Who's with me?
You know, as a Vemonian, we are on the same side right? Lynch Beskar! Who's with me?
Don't be dumb by purposefully trying to kill your own team.
Originally Posted by TheFlax:
I'd say some of his posts last round were "too scummy". Even so, he's a better vote than most at this point.
Vote: Nightbringer
I'm was also tempted to vote either Miotas or shlin28, I cannot recall a post by either in the last several phases, which means to me they haven't spoken up much and they are IIRC on Beskar's shortlist.
I don't know what I've done that is so scummy. I'm just a noob and a simple venomian fighter. ive just felt like we are all flailing around in the dark, thats why i have been waffling with my vote a lot. I'd say some of his posts last round were "too scummy". Even so, he's a better vote than most at this point.
Vote: Nightbringer
I'm was also tempted to vote either Miotas or shlin28, I cannot recall a post by either in the last several phases, which means to me they haven't spoken up much and they are IIRC on Beskar's shortlist.
I would say we should follow Beskar's lead but... so i really dont know who to go after at this point. people have said that the replacments were starfox members and unknowns. with starfox gone maybe we should just weed through that list now.
i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf
Originally Posted by Nightbringer:
i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf
Star Wolf and Andross could be working together. None of Star Wolf's team has been killed, and team star fox has practically been annihilated. You would think that the mafia might mistakenly kill off some of team star wolf as they hunt for team star fox, but why hasn't it happened? Beskar openly claimed star wolf a long time ago, yet the mafia think that kat monroe is a bigger threat? Star Wolf is neutral. There's nothing stopping him from taking the side of the mafia.i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf
Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer:
There's nothing stopping him from taking the side of the mafia.
Lies. Especially since my victory condition to defeat the mafia. Even more so, it was the Mafia who revealed me, in efforts to lynch me off. Also, it was me who actually netted us the first dead mafia.There's nothing stopping him from taking the side of the mafia.
In otherwords, stop blowing smoke.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
You know, as a Vemonian, we are on the same side right?
Don't be dumb by purposefully trying to kill your own team.
Dude, I scanned him as non-neutral 7 nights ago.You know, as a Vemonian, we are on the same side right?
Don't be dumb by purposefully trying to kill your own team.
Originally Posted by Nightbringer:
I don't know what I've done that is so scummy. I'm just a noob and a simple venomian fighter. ive just felt like we are all flailing around in the dark, thats why i have been waffling with my vote a lot.
I would say we should follow Beskar's lead but... so i really dont know who to go after at this point. people have said that the replacments were starfox members and unknowns. with starfox gone maybe we should just weed through that list now.
i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf
Why reply to my post with no real accusation in it, instead of Renata's? You say we should weed down the "list", I assume you are talking about Beskar's list? Because you're on that list, AFAIK you haven't been investigated and of all the people on that list, you appear to be the best lynch.I don't know what I've done that is so scummy. I'm just a noob and a simple venomian fighter. ive just felt like we are all flailing around in the dark, thats why i have been waffling with my vote a lot.
I would say we should follow Beskar's lead but... so i really dont know who to go after at this point. people have said that the replacments were starfox members and unknowns. with starfox gone maybe we should just weed through that list now.
i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Lies. Especially since my victory condition to defeat the mafia. Even more so, it was the Mafia who revealed me, in efforts to lynch me off. Also, it was me who actually netted us the first dead mafia.
In otherwords, stop blowing smoke.
At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.Lies. Especially since my victory condition to defeat the mafia. Even more so, it was the Mafia who revealed me, in efforts to lynch me off. Also, it was me who actually netted us the first dead mafia.
In otherwords, stop blowing smoke.
Townies, we have two options:
1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.
OR
2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.
Vote: Beskar
We don't want your guns thank you very much.
We don't want your guns thank you very much.
Originally Posted by TheFlax:
Why reply to my post with no real accusation in it, instead of Renata's? You say we should weed down the "list", I assume you are talking about Beskar's list? Because you're on that list, AFAIK you haven't been investigated and of all the people on that list, you appear to be the best lynch.
i quoted that one under the misapprehension that your accusation quoted in it would be carried over.Why reply to my post with no real accusation in it, instead of Renata's? You say we should weed down the "list", I assume you are talking about Beskar's list? Because you're on that list, AFAIK you haven't been investigated and of all the people on that list, you appear to be the best lynch.
Yes, I am talking about Beskars list. I thought it was just replacement and CFC players thoguh, of which i am neither. If the lsit is different and i am on it then it makes sense to check me out. but i am not mafia, i am just a venomian. you are welcome to scan me but voting me off wouldent really help anything.
By CFC, Beskar means people who are not gameroom regulars.
Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer:
At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.
Townies, we have two options:
1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.
OR
2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.
Pinman revealed Beskar he was about to be lynched. Why would he expose an ally in an effort to save himself? It makes no sense. You could argue that it was to permit Beskar to gain some credibility and lead town, but I think it was way too early in the game to pull something like that. I don't think lynching Beskar will lead us anywhere.At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.
Townies, we have two options:
1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.
OR
2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.
Originally Posted by TheFlax:
Pinman revealed Beskar he was about to be lynched. Why would he expose an ally in an effort to save himself? It makes no sense. You could argue that it was to permit Beskar to gain some credibility and lead town, but I think it was way too early in the game to pull something like that. I don't think lynching Beskar will lead us anywhere.
Perhaps Beskar was not aligned with the mafia at that time. It got to a point where either Pinman or Beskar would be lynched, and Beskar managed to save himself. We should not have absolute faith in Beskar just because he happened to help lynch a single mafia.Pinman revealed Beskar he was about to be lynched. Why would he expose an ally in an effort to save himself? It makes no sense. You could argue that it was to permit Beskar to gain some credibility and lead town, but I think it was way too early in the game to pull something like that. I don't think lynching Beskar will lead us anywhere.
Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer:
At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.
Townies, we have two options:
1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.
OR
2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.
Lynch Beskar or lose, what a bad argument. You make it sound like there's only 2 options. What will you accomplish by killing Star Wolf? There's at least 3 other Star Wolf team members around (Leon, Panther, Andrew). We would be nowhere closer to a win or a loss, and the Big Bad will still be killing one of us every night.At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.
Townies, we have two options:
1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.
OR
2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.
The Big Bad is the priority.
Originally Posted by :
We should not have absolute faith in Beskar just because he happened to help lynch a single mafia.
Exactly. Don't put your faith in Beskar. Don't let him pull the strings. Find your own suspects and go for it, but don't lynch a neutral, he's not who you should be worried about at this point.We should not have absolute faith in Beskar just because he happened to help lynch a single mafia.
Originally Posted by Double A:
Dude, I scanned him as non-neutral 7 nights ago.
You did? I thought you scanned him as neutral?Dude, I scanned him as non-neutral 7 nights ago.
unvote; vote: Wideeyewanderer
Mafia. (or extremely deluded townie, which is pretty much as bad)
Mafia. (or extremely deluded townie, which is pretty much as bad)
Originally Posted by Romanic:
Lynch Beskar or lose, what a bad argument. You make it sound like there's only 2 options. What will you accomplish by killing Star Wolf? There's at least 3 other Star Wolf team members around (Leon, Panther, Andrew). We would be nowhere closer to a win or a loss, and the Big Bad will still be killing one of us every night.
The Big Bad is the priority.
Exactly. Don't put your faith in Beskar. Don't let him pull the strings. Find your own suspects and go for it, but don't lynch a neutral, he's not who you should be worried about at this point.
Good points. But don't you think it's possible that Beskar could be pulling the strings? Do you have any suggestions as to who would make a better lynch? You were a member of team star fox, after all, and as far as I know, it's ok for you to make suggestions even though you're dead.Lynch Beskar or lose, what a bad argument. You make it sound like there's only 2 options. What will you accomplish by killing Star Wolf? There's at least 3 other Star Wolf team members around (Leon, Panther, Andrew). We would be nowhere closer to a win or a loss, and the Big Bad will still be killing one of us every night.
The Big Bad is the priority.
Exactly. Don't put your faith in Beskar. Don't let him pull the strings. Find your own suspects and go for it, but don't lynch a neutral, he's not who you should be worried about at this point.
Beskar, nice OMGUS.
Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer:
Good points. But don't you think it's possible that Beskar could be pulling the strings? Do you have any suggestions as to who would make a better lynch? You were a member of team star fox, after all, and as far as I know, it's ok for you to make suggestions even though you're dead.
Beskar, nice OMGUS.
Explains why you want me dead so much. You are mafia. Good points. But don't you think it's possible that Beskar could be pulling the strings? Do you have any suggestions as to who would make a better lynch? You were a member of team star fox, after all, and as far as I know, it's ok for you to make suggestions even though you're dead.
Beskar, nice OMGUS.
(alternative is, unhelpful townie who doesn't have a clue)I left you alone as I thought you was cleared, Double A just corrected that, you are not. Therefore, you are fairgame for being lynched.
Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer:
Good points. But don't you think it's possible that Beskar could be pulling the strings? Do you have any suggestions as to who would make a better lynch? You were a member of team star fox, after all, and as far as I know, it's ok for you to make suggestions even though you're dead.
Beskar, nice OMGUS.
I don't think it's possible that Beskar is working with the Big Bad, but I've said it many times that he shouldn't be trusted completely. It makes a lot of sense that his goal would conflict with Star Fox at some point in the game (maybe after the Big Bad is dead), but at this point, with Fox dead, do we have to worry about it?Good points. But don't you think it's possible that Beskar could be pulling the strings? Do you have any suggestions as to who would make a better lynch? You were a member of team star fox, after all, and as far as I know, it's ok for you to make suggestions even though you're dead.
Beskar, nice OMGUS.
The last time I proposed a lynch it was Beefy. A lot of you followed me on this and we all know how it ended, so I'm a little hesitant to name another for fear that you would follow my lead with too much faith.
However, if it can help, I'll give you a name: pevergreen.
I've had enough of this, Beskar. It's pretty much plainly obvious to everyone now that you're in cahoots with Andross. By allowing Fox to be killed, you've passed the point of no return. You couldn't betray Andross and bring victory to the town and live to tell the tale, even if you wanted to.
And somehow I don't think both Venom and Andross can win at the same time.
Also, I find it once again rather interesting that after I made my post outlining my suspicions that your team could switch sides, I suddenly was placed on the "possibly guilty" list.
I assume I'm next if we allow you to kill wideyedwanderer, too? Well, I'm not going to let that happen.
Vote: Beskar
For selling his soul to Andross.
And somehow I don't think both Venom and Andross can win at the same time.
Also, I find it once again rather interesting that after I made my post outlining my suspicions that your team could switch sides, I suddenly was placed on the "possibly guilty" list.
I assume I'm next if we allow you to kill wideyedwanderer, too? Well, I'm not going to let that happen.
Vote: Beskar
For selling his soul to Andross.
Originally Posted by Romanic:
I don't think it's possible that Beskar is working with the Big Bad, but I've said it many times that he shouldn't be trusted completely. It makes a lot of sense that his goal would conflict with Star Fox at some point in the game (maybe after the Big Bad is dead), but at this point, with Fox dead, do we have to worry about it?
The last time I proposed a lynch it was Beefy. A lot of you followed me on this and we all know how it ended, so I'm a little hesitant to name another for fear that you would follow my lead with too much faith.
However, if it can help, I'll give you a name: pevergreen.
You are correct Romanic. I share the same goal as Fox to defeat the Big Bad.I don't think it's possible that Beskar is working with the Big Bad, but I've said it many times that he shouldn't be trusted completely. It makes a lot of sense that his goal would conflict with Star Fox at some point in the game (maybe after the Big Bad is dead), but at this point, with Fox dead, do we have to worry about it?
The last time I proposed a lynch it was Beefy. A lot of you followed me on this and we all know how it ended, so I'm a little hesitant to name another for fear that you would follow my lead with too much faith.
However, if it can help, I'll give you a name: pevergreen.
I will follow your wisdom and do this:
unvote; vote: pevergreen.
Originally Posted by Chaotix:
Also, I find it once again rather interesting that after I made my post outlining my suspicions that your team could switch sides, I suddenly was placed on the "possibly guilty" list.
No, the possible guilty is because I haven't investigated you and no I am not in "cahoots" with Andross.Also, I find it once again rather interesting that after I made my post outlining my suspicions that your team could switch sides, I suddenly was placed on the "possibly guilty" list.
I think it is obvious that you are possibly guilty until proven innocent.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
No, the possible guilty is because I haven't investigated you and no I am not in "cahoots" with Andross.
I think it is obvious that you are possibly guilty until proven innocent.
Please explain how it came to be that Team Star Fox has been reduced to Peppy, while Star Wolf is still at full strength.No, the possible guilty is because I haven't investigated you and no I am not in "cahoots" with Andross.
I think it is obvious that you are possibly guilty until proven innocent.
Originally Posted by TheFlax:
By CFC, Beskar means people who are not gameroom regulars.
*cough*By CFC, Beskar means people who are not gameroom regulars.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
You did? I thought you scanned him as neutral?
You thought wrong?You did? I thought you scanned him as neutral?
Originally Posted by Chaotix:
Please explain how it came to be that Team Star Fox has been reduced to Peppy, while Star Wolf is still at full strength.
Ask the Mafia, I obviously cannot answer because I haven't got a clue. But they most likely know that I am protected.Please explain how it came to be that Team Star Fox has been reduced to Peppy, while Star Wolf is still at full strength.
Also, Johnhughthom has been revealed early game, so the Mafia just only have killed him now. Why did they kill random townies first?
Also, you have to ask "What the smeggings was Peppy doing?", Peppy is Star Fox's protector. Did he miss his orders and let two of his team mates die?
Yeah, about that Beskar...
Originally Posted by :
# Do not reveal information that is not publicly available after you die. Your actions during the night phases, other people's actions, your role, your role PM, communications from the game host, even things you heard as a rumor privately... don't talk about them, don't confirm them when others say them. If you speak after death, you may only refer to IN-THREAD information.
# Do not reveal information that is not publicly available after you die. Your actions during the night phases, other people's actions, your role, your role PM, communications from the game host, even things you heard as a rumor privately... don't talk about them, don't confirm them when others say them. If you speak after death, you may only refer to IN-THREAD information.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Ask the Mafia, I obviously cannot answer because I haven't got a clue. But they most likely know that I am protected.
Also, Johnhughthom has been revealed early game, so the Mafia just only have killed him now. Why did they kill random townies first?
Also, you have to ask "What the smeggings was Peppy doing?", Peppy is Star Fox's protector. Did he miss his orders and let two of his team mates die?
So, they don't attack you because they know you are protected...Ask the Mafia, I obviously cannot answer because I haven't got a clue. But they most likely know that I am protected.
Also, Johnhughthom has been revealed early game, so the Mafia just only have killed him now. Why did they kill random townies first?
Also, you have to ask "What the smeggings was Peppy doing?", Peppy is Star Fox's protector. Did he miss his orders and let two of his team mates die?
Yet they attack Team Star Fox even though they must assume they are being protected, whether or not that is actually the case.
And this all made sense in your mind when you posted it as your excuse? Try a little harder.
Well, there is one protection and two were attacked? Perhaps they were trying to get a confirmed kill? (either a or b dies)
Even then, why weren't either of them protected by their protector?
Even then, why weren't either of them protected by their protector?
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Well, there is one protection and two were attacked? Perhaps they were trying to get a confirmed kill? (either a or b dies)
Even then, why weren't either of them protected by their protector?
Forget about Peppy. You're avoiding the main accusation here.Well, there is one protection and two were attacked? Perhaps they were trying to get a confirmed kill? (either a or b dies)
Even then, why weren't either of them protected by their protector?
You haven't just been lucky to keep your team from being killed, and protection doesn't cover it. 1 protector does not cover a 5-man team!
It is incredibly unlikely that Andross, with his more-or-less random kills, has managed not even once to attack one of your teammates, while at the same time having killed at least 2 of Team Star Fox plus Krystal using solely guesswork.
And on top of that, if I looked a little deeper into this thread, I could probably tell you who your teammates are by the fact that they follow you like sheep. Secura is one that comes to mind. It's plainly obvious she's part of Star Wolf. So if I can guess them, it wouldn't be that hard for Andross (who I'm sure is paying more attention than me) to do the same! And if he can figure out who your team is, why hasn't he started killing them like he did for Star Fox?
Bottom line is, Andross must know who your team is and is deliberately avoiding attacking the entire team. And unless you can give me a reason why he would leave 5 undefended power roles living for this long, the only logical answer is that the two of you have struck a deal.
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