Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[ULC]

Evil Cornerian scum, seeking to wipe out our pitiful race We only wanted to wipe out the BB, yet you still try to undermine our combined efforts...

I am still shocked by the fact that only I commented on YLC's ruse... did everyone else ignore it because they had become so experienced at playing Mafia games in my absence?

Combined efforts? That is truly luaghable - I know how these things work. Either the Cornerians win, or the Venomians do - there is no "combined" effort, there are two towns and once one starts to take the lead in numbers and organization, the other gets stomped flat. I'm just ahead of the curve, and your a bit behind it.

See, in this game, my tactics work, because I've got a lot of targets. The Cornerians are going to win, sorry, I'll make sure of it.

[TheFlax]

Combined efforts? That is truly luaghable - I know how these things work. Either the Cornerians win, or the Venomians do - there is no "combined" effort, there are two towns and once one starts to take the lead in numbers and organization, the other gets stomped flat. I'm just ahead of the curve, and your a bit behind it.

See, in this game, my tactics work, because I've got a lot of targets. The Cornerians are going to win, sorry, I'll make sure of it.

Someone is clearly forgetting Rubicon...

I'm ignoring the faction thing and going after the killer faction and I'm pretty sure if we don't want the bad guys to win, then that's what we should be doing. You're either scum or misguided in your effort at this point in the game in my humble opinion.

[ULC]

Someone is clearly forgetting Rubicon...

I'm ignoring the faction thing and going after the killer faction and I'm pretty sure if we don't want the bad guys to win, then that's what we should be doing. You're either scum or misguided in your effort at this point in the game in my humble opinion.

Wow, you Venomian's just come right out to defend each other don't you? I bet it's some innate attempt at being town, when in fact your neutral, and need to survive or outnumber us. Odd, that both of those goals would mean that Cornerians would have to die regardless, either to make sure your dead partners win or in your stead. Don't forget the fact you can change sides, to a much less benevolent goal.

The only good Venomian is a dead one.

[Pinman]

I bet it's some innate attempt at being town, when in fact your neutral, and need to survive or outnumber us.

Roleclaim.

[TheFlax]

Wow, you Venomian's just come right out to defend each other don't you? I bet it's some innate attempt at being town, when in fact your neutral, and need to survive or outnumber us. Odd, that both of those goals would mean that Cornerians would have to die regardless, either to make sure your dead partners win or in your stead. Don't forget the fact you can change sides, to a much less benevolent goal.

The only good Venomian is a dead one.

What I find hilarious is you saying this when you've actually know me for quite a while. As either faction I'm going to go for the real badguys, you know, the ones with actual night kills? Imagine just for a moment everyone on both faction was exactly like you. It would be one of the easiest game ever for who ever are the bad guys.

Who exactly am I defending, someone who has just been lynched? Right. Or is it because I'm perhaps because I tremble in fear that you might use another blatant attempt at uncovering factions? It's more along the lines of I don't care, either as a Cornerian or a Venomian I can win by killing off the bad guys and surviving. Which are my goal in every game where I'm not scum.

But please, do continue with the sterotypical rethoric and the misinformation. I'm sure it will give positive results.

[Renata]

Someone is clearly forgetting Rubicon...

I'm ignoring the faction thing and going after the killer faction and I'm pretty sure if we don't want the bad guys to win, then that's what we should be doing. You're either scum or misguided in your effort at this point in the game in my humble opinion.

And how would you suggest we find this killer faction? Will they all be acting like Cornerians, and hence going after suspected Venomians is bound never to catch a single one? Or might we accomplish one goal, while trying to accomplish another?

[TheFlax]

And how would you suggest we find this killer faction? Will they all be acting like Cornerians, and hence going after suspected Venomians is bound never to catch a single one? Or might we accomplish one goal, while trying to accomplish another?

I'll go after anyone who I think is scummy, wether they claim to be cornerian or venomian. As for how we will find the bad guys... Well this is a mafia game, right? We go with the usual ways.

[Renata]

That's my point, though -- you seem to be too vehement toward what YLC says he's doing. Who cares if YLC focuses on lynching Venomians? The scum are as likely to blend in with them as elsewhere, as far as I can tell. It's at least as much use as random votes or random vigs, and both of those have had success in the past. They've failed, too, but so has everything else -- I should know.

Anyway -- why so vehement? I've thought of a possible reason while writing this, but you haven't expressed it yet, so -- care to try?

[TheFlax]

That's my point, though -- you seem to be too vehement toward what YLC says he's doing. Who cares if YLC focuses on lynching Venomians? The scum are as likely to blend in with them as elsewhere, as far as I can tell. It's at least as much use as random votes or random vigs, and both of those have had success in the past. They've failed, too, but so has everything else -- I should know.

Anyway -- why so vehement? I've thought of a possible reason while writing this, but you haven't expressed it yet, so -- care to try?

I didn't think I was vehement. Annoyed, yes. Why? Because YLC isn't the first, WEW for example was all proud of killing scum when in fact killing neutral roles. Its a slippery slope and I'm preempting. I don't feel the need to go on and on about this either. Those who want to go on a venomian hunt will all get a big "meh" from me.

[Renata]

OK.

My own only issue with such strategy (if it can be called that) is if it starts to look like someone is using it as a smokescreen for having no actual ability to hunt scum; that is, if the person is scum himself and using the venomian/cornerian feud as a mere excuse.

[ULC]

Roleclaim.

I'm allowed to roleclaim in public, it's in the rules.

I didn't think I was vehement. Annoyed, yes. Why? Because YLC isn't the first, WEW for example was all proud of killing scum when in fact killing neutral roles. Its a slippery slope and I'm preempting. I don't feel the need to go on and on about this either. Those who want to go on a venomian hunt will all get a big "meh" from me.

Au contraire, I am not hunting you - your just a good alternative. When the day ends, it is bad for the town to lynch a Cornerian, and better to lynch your kind.

[Double A]

Phew... I was afraid for a second there we slipped up and lynched a joker... Pizza don't scare me like that!

[miotas]

Combined efforts? That is truly luaghable - I know how these things work. Either the Cornerians win, or the Venomians do - there is no "combined" effort, there are two towns and once one starts to take the lead in numbers and organization, the other gets stomped flat. I'm just ahead of the curve, and your a bit behind it.

See, in this game, my tactics work, because I've got a lot of targets. The Cornerians are going to win, sorry, I'll make sure of it.

According to the roles that ATPG posted in the thread, this only applies to Cornerians, personal victory for Venomians only requires survial after the baddies are dead. Venomians can have mutual victory, Cornerians can't.

[TheFlax]

OK.

My own only issue with such strategy (if it can be called that) is if it starts to look like someone is using it as a smokescreen for having no actual ability to hunt scum; that is, if the person is scum himself and using the venomian/cornerian feud as a mere excuse.

If I ever do that, please lynch me.

According to the roles that ATPG posted in the thread, this only applies to Cornerians, personal victory for Venomians only requires survial after the baddies are dead. Venomians can have mutual victory, Cornerians can't.

Nope, Cornerian VC = town. Meaning, killing the baddies. You're mixing it up with their personal goal. Venomian's VC is to outnumber Cornerians. (Even this way they can both win together) Even if Venomians aren't the most numerous by the end, those Venomians who survived still win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nope, Cornerian VC = town. Meaning, killing the baddies. You're mixing it up with their personal goal. Venomian's VC is to outnumber Cornerians. (Even this way they can both win together) Even if Venomians aren't the most numerous by the end, those Venomians who survived still win.

This interpretation is correct.