Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Beskar]

On one side we have Beskar accusing Pinman based on a somewhat suspicious post, but on the other side we have Pinman 1) claiming scanner 2) Revealing Beskar as Star Wolf 3) Confirming TheFlax's role to him.

One accusation is much stronger than the other. If we lynch Beskar and he wasn't Star Wolf, then we can lynch Pinman. On the other hand, if we lynch Pinman, we could lose a powerful role, and Beskar will be a tough lynch because he can argue his way out of it. After all his accusation was somewhat speculative.

The ghost of Falco says: Lynch Beskar!

It is a false claim from Pinman, I could tell you who theFlax is based on his posts alone. I could come and claim investigator myself, and tell TheFlax privately what his role is, and be seen as the shining knight. Want me to privately say it to TheFlax then he comes in here going "Beskar is right!" ? I mean, the odds are pretty 50/50% he is either is a Cornerian or a Vemon.

He is trying to back out of it, because not only me, but others have picked up on his scumtells. It is always the typical lame mafia move to "claim investigator" (See Psychonaut in Shadowfort, Sigurd in Netherworld, other many examples).

Also, there wouldn't be anyone to investigate Pinman anyway, even then, they couldn't even reveal it, could they? "Oh, I investigated Pinman, he is one of the mafia!", Pinman gets killed, the Big Bad kills that revealed investigator. It is a fishing technique, I wouldn't recommend some one to fall for such an obvious trap.

Let's do it this way. We lynch Pinman, if he turns out to be some sort of special-role, then you can direct your attention on me. Also, there is also the fact StarWolf is infact a neutral along with the vemonians, who are working against the Big Bad... yeah, his claim is very weak attempt.

Source (Pizza's starting story):

Star Wolf managed to escape, and Wolf O'Donnell vowed revenge against whoever had attacked him, and denied O'Donnell his final victory over Star Fox.

As it seems to be a Rubicon set-up, Star Wolf would be the "Vemonian pro-town", so half the town wouldn't want to kill one of their own power-roles. On the otherhand, all the town want to take out the Big Bad and mafia, which Pinman most likely is.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

It is a false claim from Pinman, I could tell you who theFlax is based on his posts alone. I could come and claim investigator myself, and tell TheFlax privately what his role is, and be seen as the shining knight. Want me to privately say it to TheFlax then he comes in here going "Beskar is right!" ? I mean, the odds are pretty 50/50% he is either is a Cornerian or a Vemon.

He is trying to back out of it, because not only me, but others have picked up on his scumtells. It is always the typical lame mafia move to "claim investigator" (See Psychonaut in Shadowfort, Sigurd in Netherworld, other many examples).

Also, there wouldn't be anyone to investigate Pinman anyway, even then, they couldn't even reveal it, could they? "Oh, I investigated Pinman, he is one of the mafia!", Pinman gets killed, the Big Bad kills that revealed investigator. It is a fishing technique, I wouldn't recommend some one to fall for such an obvious trap.

Let's do it this way. We lynch Pinman, if he turns out to be some sort of special-role, then you can direct your attention on me. Also, there is also the fact StarWolf is infact a neutral along with the vemonians, who are working against the Big Bad... yeah, his claim is very weak attempt.

That actually makes sense to me. If Pinman is a actual special role we can Lynch Beskar tommorow easily enough.....

But the same could be said the other way around. Ugh.

Vote: abstain. I will wait and see which side convinces me.

[Beefy187]

I like Romanics reasoning.
Its mafia games basic tactic to lynch the guy who Cop condemned then we lynch the Cop if he was wrong.

We have Flaxy backing up the cop claim.

Worrying point is the fact that Pinman is nothing more then a average Cornerian fighter and not some major character.
But knowing pizza and his kindness to give a fair chance to everyone who plays the game, it might be possible.

Anyway I say we lynch Beskar, then if its a bad lynch... Pinman

Unvote, Vote: Beskar

[landlubber]

Unvote, Vote: Beskar.
If Pinman can tell at least one person what role they have, then he's got to be at least legit as a scanner. So, I think Beskar's our best option.

[Double A]

Why would Joe Schmoe have an ability? It seems like only named roles would have them.

[Beskar]

Why would Joe Schmoe have an ability? It seems like only named roles would have them.

Because he is evidently lying.

Also, landlubber is also incorrect, as you can ask theFlax, I just pretty much told him what his role is, without having to do a scan. It is not legitimate in anything. (obviously, he has to publically post that it is true or not)

He is just trying to save himself desperately by attacking OMGUS against the main accuser against him.

[Beefy187]

Ok I'm in doubt.

Unvote, Vote: abstain

for now.

[God Emperor]

Vote beskar

we have nothing to gain by lynching Pinman before having his story tested. If Beskar actually is star wolf, then it would fall natural for Pinman to be murdered, but we would still have acces to his ability for another night.
That Beskar does not reach this conclusion himself, but instead is trying to convince us that lynching Pinman is the best way to deal with the situation, suggests that he is a bad (or neutral) role

[Pinman]

Beskar, the fact that you want me lynched so badly, and at this very moment, is disconcerting.

Is it perhaps because you know it will be impossible to lynch me tommorow?

[Beskar]

Beskar, the fact that you want me lynched so badly, and at this very moment, is disconcerting.

Is it perhaps because you know it will be impossible to lynch me tommorow?

Pinman, if it wasn't for the fact you are trying to OMGUS bandwagon me with a false claim, then you could actually make to make a point with that statement. You was the one who started the lies about me being some mafia in order to save yourself, because you got caught out.

I mean, you had no problems apparently as Mr. Joe Smuck, the Cornerian haven't an "apparent mafia" running around, and you never brought this up sooner in the round, where others also called you out on your scummy actions, but just before you are infact going to die, you come out with this last minute claim, in order to attempt to save yourself.

[TheFlax]

Alirght, now here is a small clarification. My role was highly guessable, it does not necessarily prove anything for sure, but on the other hand, I'm not ready to lynch Pinman after his claim. Neither am I convinced we should lynch Beskar even if he were to be Starwolf. Remember here, people are jumping against Starwolf because preconceptions demand that he be a bad guy like the game. This isn't the N64 game, this is a mafia game, preconceptions are dangerous.

I'd rather take a more conservative wait and see approach, instead lynching an inactive/slash lurker this round.

Vote: Stuck in Pi

[Beskar]

That Beskar does not reach this conclusion himself, but instead is trying to convince us that lynching Pinman is the best way to deal with the situation, suggests that he is a bad (or neutral) role

Not really, it is actually, remarkably simple.

I happen to know what role I am, therefore, I do not need to "test him" by killing myself, because I evidently know the answer. I also evidently know the answer that is lying.

Even if his said accusation is correct, as seen in Pizza's right-up, Star Wolf is on the town side. Therefore, you would be killing one of the towns power-roles. In either case, a town member dies.

On the otherhand, I have one of the best scumdars in the gameroom, that I was able to pick up on Pinman, which made him come out with these obsurb claims.

Infact, the logic is actually this:

Kill Beskar, and you garentuee a town dies.

Kill Pinman, who is falsely claiming to be a 'scanner' who actually decides to reveal this "information" now, afterall, if I was mafia, would I been lynched earlier, other than when before he would die himself via a bandwagon?

So, which is it? You kill a townie, and possibly a town power role (Star Wofl), or actually kill a Mafia who is claiming to be a normal Cornerian which the ability to investigate everyone in the game which most likely shadows both johnhughthom (Katt) and Romanic (Falco) 's own abilities.

So the fact you don't reach this conclusion yourself, is because you are being easily fooled by classic scum tactics.