Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Beskar]

I am extremely pleased that you are no longer even bothering to deny that you are Star Wolf.

Nice try.

You have to do better than trying to suggest that me in a post correcting some one according to what the Host posted with reference to a previous game where they accused a pro-town of being a mafia and was responsible for their death.

[TheFlax]

Beskar is using BS logic here.

He wants us to forget that Team Star Wolf has been killing townies since night one. Last night's write-up with the Zapper is proof enough, if you think the other two are vague. The Zapper is Panther's signature weapon.

Removed: Write-up clues. No puzzles or hints in these. (Focus should be on standard mafia solving techniques)

Lets think about this from a mafia game perspective, without the fluff. There's a lot of incertitudes here and I'd rather wait a bit before commiting to lynch what could be a power role. That's what I'm still maintaining that lynching an inactive/lurker is the best solution at this time. This is a point in the game where we have time to think, lets not waste it.

[Pinman]

Alright. So to clarify:

1. You vehemently deny being Star Wolf.

2. However, you are taking great pains to assure the town that were you Star Wolf, although you absolutely definitively are not, it would be ok. Your just another townie!

Is that scumdar of yours picking anything up? At the very least, it should be noting the obvious inconsistancy.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Pinman

I don't like back alley deals.

[pevergreen]

I'm watching you Beefy. You're acting scared.

Vote: Beskar

Normal logic. Either Beskar is Wolf, and we find out by lynching, or hes not and we then get Pinman.

[TheFlax]

Vote: Pinman

I don't like back alley deals.

By that logic then, you should vote me.

I'm watching you Beefy. You're acting scared.

Vote: Beskar

Normal logic. Either Beskar is Wolf, and we find out by lynching, or hes not and we then get Pinman.

Beefy's vote switch, if you're referring to that, was prompted by me.

Also, how are you so sure that lynching Starwolf is so good? (Assuming here Beskar is Starwolf.) Or would that be one of those unhealthy assumptions I was referring to earlier?

[Beskar]

Alright. So to clarify...

So to clarify:

1. You vehemently deny being mafia.

2. You claim you are just a normal Cornerian who apparently has some sort of uber investigator ability which people with roles don't have. You apparently find what you describe as a mafia, and then for 3 rounds, do not disclose this to anyone, except when you was about to die and on your death bed, who just happened to be accusing the person who picked up on your scumtells.

3. Even though this reveal didn't work as planned, you tried to stratch up a deal, where you apparently get investigated, however, there is no incidications there are actually any investigators in the game, and even if there were, they probably wouldn't even actually clarify what you are or not, since they cannot reveal privately anyway.

4. ??

5. Keep restating your theory, in order to hope you say it enough times, people might actually get convinced, due to the volume amount.


I could easily do this all day. In short - quit trying to squirm about.

[Pinman]

1) Your absolutely right I deny it.

2) It wouldn't have been wise to reveal that you are Star Wolf immediately.
Back at CFC - in my time - it was always regarded better to wait and allow for the creation of useful voting patterns.
I stand by this completely.

3) There are only so many times I can say that this was The Flax's idea.

[Death is yonder]

Vote: Stuck in Pi

While you two keep arguing back and forth on who is guilty, I think that its best to ensure that neither of you get the boot.

@Pinman, similarly to the logic on yourself, surely you could have considered that IF Beskar was Starwolf, he would not want to reveal immediately?

My main point of contention is that the game set up is evidently two town teams with perhaps their individual pro town leaderships, against the big bad.

I'm rather confused as to why you would publicly damn yourself by revealing, THEN proceeding to attack a pro town role (whilst against the Cornelians and possibly StarFox, the main goal is still to remove the Big Bad at this point)

Nevertheless, I concur with the suggestion that voting for someone other than you two at this point is the best solution for this issue.

[pevergreen]

Beskar is panicking.

[Romanic]

Interesting that Beskar does not confirm, nor deny that he is Star Wolf. That leaves a lot of possibilities in the air that would otherwise go away if he would simply answer this critical question. But instead he's playing around the park, and would agree to lynch an inactive player. That's odd for someone who's convinced Pinman is mafia.

If he was not Star Wolf, he would have told us already, because it involves to risk for him, besides it's the natural way to counterattack Pinman's claim. So Beskar is obviously Star Wolf, afraid to deny and be caught lying. Also possibly afraid to confirm Pinman as a scanner.

Why are you not speaking up Beskar? Will you let a scanner die instead of answering the claims that you are Star Wolf?

[Choxorn]

So to clarify:

1. You vehemently deny being mafia.

2. You claim you are just a normal Cornerian who apparently has some sort of uber investigator ability which people with roles don't have. You apparently find what you describe as a mafia, and then for 3 rounds, do not disclose this to anyone, except when you was about to die and on your death bed, who just happened to be accusing the person who picked up on your scumtells.

3. Even though this reveal didn't work as planned, you tried to stratch up a deal, where you apparently get investigated, however, there is no incidications there are actually any investigators in the game, and even if there were, they probably wouldn't even actually clarify what you are or not, since they cannot reveal privately anyway.

4. ??

5. Keep restating your theory, in order to hope you say it enough times, people might actually get convinced, due to the volume amount.


I could easily do this all day. In short - quit trying to squirm about.

Shouldn't 5 be: "Profit!"

[Beefy187]

Discussion with TheFlax led me to believe that lynching someone inactive would be reasonable solution.
We can end that discussion next phase.

Unvote, vote: Stuck in Pi

[Beskar]

Shouldn't 5 be: "Profit!"

[Double A]

In Soviet Russia, meme follows YOU !!

[Romanic]

Originally Posted by Rules
Removed: Write-up clues. No puzzles or hints in these. (Focus should be on standard mafia solving techniques)

There has to be some clues in the writeups, no matter what the above says.

For example, we know from the writeup that the Big Bad killed each day so far (The Big Bad is represented by the blue vortex picture). That's a clue right there.

We also know that someone else, flying a ship has killed on day 1 and day 3, that's another clue. It's a ship (it's not Santa Claus with his reindeer sleigh!).

Then when Chaotix is killed by this ship, and it says ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP, it could be another clue.


(reference: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Panther)

Panther Caroso is a member of Star Wolf. He becomes infatuated with Krystal at the Sargasso Region, and when Fox fires her in Star Fox Command, Krystal turns to Panther and the rest of Star Wolf.

[...]

Panther pilots the Black Rose, which looks somewhat like the Wolfen II seen in Star Fox 64. It is armed with the Zapper, a powerful but slow-firing laser.

I'm with Chaotix here, the Zapper, as he said, is Panther Caroso's signature weapon and Panther is with the Star Wolf team. They likely killed 2 of us, and I'm hearing talk about how could Star Wolf possibly be pro-town. I suggest that you read the Wiki like I did, or at least listen to Chaotix, he knows about this stuff.

The Star Wolf team is very possibly our second enemy.

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On the other matter, Beskar vs Pinman, I don't like how people are ready to wash their hands and lynch an inactive (Stuck in Pi) instead of picking a side. And I don't like how TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar, convince people and make shady deals to accomplish all this, just for the possibility that Star Wolf is pro-town (when he's likely not).

[johnhughthom]

that's another clue. It's a ship

Doesn't everybody have a ship?

[Double A]

No, we all have Landmasters.

Oh wait this isn't Brawl...

[miotas]

According to some background information that ATPG sent me to help me understand the game, Star Wolf teamed up with Star Fox to destroy some evil force known as the Aparoids.

With the help of Wolf O'Donnell, who is able to swallow his pride and work with Star Fox for the sake of the Lylat System, and the rest of the Star Wolf team, Corneria City is rescued from total destruction

This seems like a similar situation, so it would be foolish to potentially kill such a powerful Anti-Big-Bad force. So I say we lynch Pinman, either he's telling the truth and we have identified one of our most powerful resources, or he's lying and we kill a mafia.

[miotas]

Vote: Pinman

[Romanic]

Doesn't everybody have a ship?

Do we? How do you know? The Big Bad is on the other side of a vortex, who knows what's behind. And I could see some of us in a star base instead of a ship.

Anyway, that's not my point. We know that this killer is not the Big Bad because it's a ship (and not a vortex).

[Beefy187]

Just give Pinman one more night to prove him self.
Its still early phase of the game, and we can afford to make some mistakes hoping for a greater good

[miotas]

Also, those who want to kill the inactive person instead of beskar or pinman should instead place a vote for "no lynch".

[pevergreen]

According to some background information that ATPG sent me to help me understand the game, Star Wolf teamed up with Star Fox to destroy some evil force known as the Aparoids.

This seems like a similar situation, so it would be foolish to potentially kill such a powerful Anti-Big-Bad force. So I say we lynch Pinman, either he's telling the truth and we have identified one of our most powerful resources, or he's lying and we kill a mafia.

Looking at it the other way, he claims investigator, the accepted practice has been to lynch their target, since in a game like this, roles are revealed. If Beskar is, I believe it will show in the writeup his affiliation. I don't believe he is pro town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pinman: (8) Yaropolk, autolycus, ArpeggiateTHIS, WEW, Double A, God Emperor, JHT, Miotas
Beskar: (2) landlubber, pevergreen
Stuck in Pi: (5) TheFlax, Pinman, Beskar, Stuck in Pi, Beefy187
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer

abstain: (3) TheFlax, CDF, Diana Abnoba

Unofficial tally


EDIT: This tally is a dumb tally. I found two errors already.

[Seon]

Vote: Abstain

By the way, if a person who does not know anything about Star Fox may say anything around here, who could be the bad guys if Venomians and Star Wolf aren't evil?

[Stuck in Pi]

I'm torn here, because back on CFC, Pinman has convinced me of his innocence far to many times to count while not being pro-innocent. On the other hand, I really have no idea of any of the .org's players standard MO. So in the interest of not killing potential scanners, Unvote, Vote: Beskar.

[TheFlax]

There has to be some clues in the writeups, no matter what the above says.

For example, we know from the writeup that the Big Bad killed each day so far (The Big Bad is represented by the blue vortex picture). That's a clue right there.

We also know that someone else, flying a ship has killed on day 1 and day 3, that's another clue. It's a ship (it's not Santa Claus with his reindeer sleigh!).

Oh please, don't be obtuse. Of course the number of kills is useful information and of course the big bad has one kill per night, that's the kind of information you'd get in any game. I'd even agree that kills using the same method are most likely done by the same person/group.

Then when Chaotix is killed by this ship, and it says ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP, it could be another clue.

(reference: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Panther)
I'm with Chaotix here, the Zapper, as he said, is Panther Caroso's signature weapon and Panther is with the Star Wolf team. They likely killed 2 of us, and I'm hearing talk about how could Star Wolf possibly be pro-town. I suggest that you read the Wiki like I did, or at least listen to Chaotix, he knows about this stuff.

The Star Wolf team is very possibly our second enemy.

This is were it goes too far, that's specifically the kind of clue ATPG would add in other games, but he said he'd refrain in this one. ATPG wanted us to relie on standard mafia hunting techniques, that mostly mean analyzing thread behavior. It could very well be that ATPG is including false positives for all we know. There was also the fact ATPG made this post saying we can avoid reading the writeups and not miss something.

What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.

On the other matter, Beskar vs Pinman, I don't like how people are ready to wash their hands and lynch an inactive (Stuck in Pi) instead of picking a side. And I don't like how TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar, convince people and make shady deals to accomplish all this, just for the possibility that Star Wolf is pro-town (when he's likely not).

Explain to me why do we need to pick a side in the Beskar v. Pinman debate now? How can you be sure lynching even one of them is a good choice? Also, I'm really disliking the way you're painting me here. "TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar." That's not exactly true, now is it? I'm also going out of my way to try to avoid Pinman getting lynched also. As the insitgator of the bandwagon against him, if I really wanted only Beskar to live, I could have continued leaning on Pinman, but I think that's a bad idea. As for the likelyness of Starwolf being town, from what I understand of the setup, its very possible, though I can't say I'm sure.

[Khazaar]

Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS

[Secura]

What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.

You're not the only person that's stated this, and it seems increasingly plausible each time I see it; I see no sense in lynching a scanner (particularly one who has had claims verified), and no sense in lynching Beskar (if he is Wolf) when there's a possibility he could be of use against the Big Bad.

vote: abstain

There's something that's been niggling at me as I read over the last few pages though; why does a standard Cornerian have a ship-scanning ability?

You see, I would guess that each and every player has a ship of some kind, be it Arwing, Wolfen, Cornerian, Venomian or whatever... everyone except the Big Bad, at least, who we assume to be this vortex thing, so it's possible that a player who turns up no results from a ship scanner is the Big Bad; such an ability might be the only means to find said adversary, so why does a Cornerian have those means and not Fox, Falco or others?