Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Double A]

Forget about Peppy. You're avoiding the main accusation here.

You haven't just been lucky to keep your team from being killed, and protection doesn't cover it. 1 protector does not cover a 5-man team!

It is incredibly unlikely that Andross, with his more-or-less random kills, has managed not even once to attack one of your teammates, while at the same time having killed at least 2 of Team Star Fox plus Krystal using solely guesswork.

And on top of that, if I looked a little deeper into this thread, I could probably tell you who your teammates are by the fact that they follow you like sheep. Secura is one that comes to mind. It's plainly obvious she's part of Star Wolf. So if I can guess them, it wouldn't be that hard for Andross (who I'm sure is paying more attention than me) to do the same!

Bottom line is, Andross must know who your team is and is deliberately avoiding attacking the entire team. And unless you can give me a reason why he would leave 5 undefended power roles living for this long, the only logical answer is that the two of you have struck a deal.

The only reason I can think of is he's trying to frame them, and that's not a particularly good reason.

[Romanic]

Who would be the 5th member of the Star Wolf team? I'm counting 4 of them: Wolf, Panther, Leon and Andrew.

[Chaotix]

The only reason I can think of is he's trying to frame them, and that's not a particularly good reason.

Exactly. If you want to frame someone, you do it when it's only one or maybe two.
You don't frame a whole team of power roles because the end result is that you let them investigate the entire town and reveal their true identity.

And look, Beskar has basically investigated the entire town, save for me and and a few others for some reason. And look, we haven't found any mafia since before Falco and ROB died. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

[Chaotix]

Who would be the 5th member of the Star Wolf team? I'm counting 4 of them: Wolf, Panther, Leon and Andrew.

Pigma. He's been in the write-ups, he must have been recruited by them.

[Double A]

Pigma. He's been in the write-ups, he must have been recruited by them.

I was in a write-up(s) between when I revealed and when I was recriuted.

[Choxorn]

Pinman revealed Beskar he was about to be lynched. Why would he expose an ally in an effort to save himself? It makes no sense. You could argue that it was to permit Beskar to gain some credibility and lead town, but I think it was way too early in the game to pull something like that. I don't think lynching Beskar will lead us anywhere.

There are two mafia teams, it's entirely plausible that Pinman was on one and Beskar on the other.

And Beskar, the "You're Protected" excuse is BS. They have no less reason to assume that Double A, or Romanic, or Arpeg, or john, or... any of the pro-town power roles were protected, but attacked them anyway. For that matter, maybe you should re-read the write-ups when Double A and Romanic died for further proof of why this excuse is BS.

[Nightbringer]

Maybe Andross saw Star Fox as a bigger threat and has focused on getting rid of him. or maybe andross thinks that star wolf will have an objective change that places them on the same side. all i know is that the venomian objective is still to defeat the big bad. with that in consideration, i am going to follow the best leader we have (Beskar) and vote:wideeyedwanderer

[Beskar]

I was going to go with Romanic on pevergreen. But it appears that people want to lynch an investigator than make any real attempts against the mafia.

[Secura]

I could probably tell you who your teammates are by the fact that they follow you like sheep. Secura is one that comes to mind. It's plainly obvious she's part of Star Wolf.

This is just plain rude; I have a playstyle of my own that, in just as many cases as it does not, proves to be better than Beskar's, and my votes have only correlated with Beskar's when there has been a genuine person that I've suspected.

I don't need to follow anyone like a sheep, and it's an unusual statement to come from one who keeps bleating anti-Beskar sentiment without thought for the ramifications that lynching him will have; have you not considered the alternative for why he's been kept alive?

You're chewing strips off him and that's exactly what the mafia wants; they don't need to kill Star Wolf when you're pushing for their lynches. I would urge anyone who is neutral in alignment, like Star Wolf, to ignore these inane ramblings and focus on finding the mafia.

And unless you can give me a reason why he would leave 5 undefended power roles living for this long, the only logical answer is that the two of you have struck a deal.

How is it possible that Star Wolf and the Big Bad could have struck together a deal when private communication is forbidden? Even if such a deal had been struck at some point, it's hard to maintain something like that when you're not allowed to contact anyone.


As for my vote, I'm divided between three people currently and will re-evaluate after I've returned from work this evening and there's more to read.

[Beskar]

You missed the other ramification that lynching me will send Star Wolf team under-ground, because they won't assist the town in anyway, due to fear of getting lynched by people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.

Because of that, the list of innocents will also disappear, and the town will go around lynching eachother, while the mafia are laughing their heads off.

That is what happens when you try to eliminate pro-town mason group because of your own foolishness.

[naut]

Beskar has to go.

1) Basically the entire Star Fox team is dead
2) The last couple rounds he's spoke of his list of innocent players, BUT
3) He continuosly pointed us towards innocents as his "unknowns"

Basically he's full of

Vote: Beskar

[naut]

You missed the other ramification that lynching me will send Star Wolf team under-ground, because they won't assist the town in anyway

What do you expect when you and your team has been no help what-so-ever? You haven't been assisting us, so your claim is a crock, whatever happens you aren't helpful.

people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.

No basis? Hah! You lot said you are helping, but it's quite obvious that you have just been a distraction.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Vote: pevergreen on Romanic's suggestion

[civplayah]

This is ridiculous! Beskar is not working with Andross or the Big Bad. I'll do this just to save Beskar-

vote: pevergreen

[autolycus]

Wolf O'Donnell, you've caused trouble in our neck of the woods for too long.
Vote:Beskar

[pevergreen]

Beskar has to go.

1) Basically the entire Star Fox team is dead
2) The last couple rounds he's spoke of his list of innocent players, BUT
3) He continuosly pointed us towards innocents as his "unknowns"

Basically he's full of

Vote: Beskar

One of the only times I will agree with you.

This is ridiculous! Beskar is not working with Andross or the Big Bad. I'll do this just to save Beskar-

vote: pevergreen

But General Pepper said I could celebrate.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Beskar has been messing up big time, but I think killing our only known investigation rule seems a bit stupid at this point....

I would like to hear what falco thinks about Beskar, but for Now Vote: pevergreen

[Renata]

The only reason I can think of is he's trying to frame them, and that's not a particularly good reason.

It's not a bad one -- absent a Star Wolf/Andross alliance, Andross' best strategy is to go after as many of the town's power roles as he can get to first, and only then go after the neutral ones, just in case the town suspects exactly what we do suspect in the meantime. My own death is the only exception to the pattern in the last several days, and before that it was still too early to draw any firm conclusions.

That's why I think Beskar and Co should get just a little bit more leeway. They will start finding Andross' allies with all their power roles, or Andross will get scared enough of them to start killing them now that no Star Fox members are on the table. If neither happens soonish -- well I hate to say it Star Wolf, but you will have brought it on yourself by not pushing any mafia lynches since you outed Pinman. Neutral roles have to expect to be held to a "what have you done for us lately" standard. Maybe Pinman made you an offer you couldn't refuse. How can we know?

[Renata]

How is it possible that Star Wolf and the Big Bad could have struck together a deal when private communication is forbidden? Even if such a deal had been struck at some point, it's hard to maintain something like that when you're not allowed to contact anyone.

It wasn't forbidden at the time that Pinman was outed, and he DID claim his role in public, as did Beskar. That would free them to speak openly, if they wished to. This is not a good argument.

I feel like I'm going all anti-Beskar here, so I want to disclaim: I STRONGLY oppose Beskar's lynch today. What the heck happened to Nightbringer as an option? Have to go read.

[Renata]

You know, as a Vemonian, we are on the same side right?

Don't be dumb by purposefully trying to kill your own team.

I thought he was Cornerian.

[Renata]

At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.

Townies, we have two options:

1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.

OR

2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.

Remind me if you've been fully cleared by both Star Wolf and Star Fox (or by Arpeg)? Because that's a whole lot of Nintendo Wii there, to steal a phrase. Double A I know scanned you as non-neutral -- Beskar?

[Beskar]

Beskar has to go.

1) Basically the entire Star Fox team is dead
2) The last couple rounds he's spoke of his list of innocent players, BUT
3) He continuosly pointed us towards innocents as his "unknowns"

Basically he's full of

What do you expect when you and your team has been no help what-so-ever? You haven't been assisting us, so your claim is a crock, whatever happens you aren't helpful.


No basis? Hah! You lot said you are helping, but it's quite obvious that you have just been a distraction.

Actually, you are full of crock.

Why would I point the town towards innocents? Of course I am going to point the town towards unknowns.

So I am not going to sit there going "I just got the result Psychonaut is Cornerian, I know, lets advise to lynch him because that is surely the cleverest option.", I have said all along that they are acceptable choices and unknowns and if anyone has a better choice outside of selecting a known townie, then surely go ahead.

So don't outright lie and make stuff up.

I have stopped the town outright lynching known innocents, just like yourself. What a fool. I been far more helpful than the Star Fox team, what lynch did they approve for the town? Beefy's. My choices netted us one mafia and narrowed down the suspects a lot almost to the point we can have the mafia gone within a few rounds guaranteed and you are about to throw that away.

[Romanic]

I think this tally is about right:

5 Beskar (wew, pever, Chaotix, Psychnaut, autolycus)
4 pevergreen (Beskar, ATPGood, civplayah, CDF)
1 Death is Yonder (Diana)
1 wideyedwanderer (Nightbringer)
1 Nightbringer (Flax)
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? Not voting (everyone else)

[Beskar]

Remind me if you've been fully cleared by both Star Wolf and Star Fox (or by Arpeg)? Because that's a whole lot of Nintendo Wii there, to steal a phrase. Double A I know scanned you as non-neutral -- Beskar?

He hasn't been cleared, I thought he was by Double A, but Double A meant he wasn't scanned as non-neutral.

[Renata]

Forget about Peppy. You're avoiding the main accusation here.

You haven't just been lucky to keep your team from being killed, and protection doesn't cover it. 1 protector does not cover a 5-man team!

It is incredibly unlikely that Andross, with his more-or-less random kills, has managed not even once to attack one of your teammates, while at the same time having killed at least 2 of Team Star Fox plus Krystal using solely guesswork.

This is just false, Chaotix. Andross' kills have been anything but random for at least four nights running. Three outed Star Fox members and me. It's even plausible that Andross thought he might be killing a Star Wolf member when he attacked me, what with Beskar's "wink wink nudge nudge I know you're a cornerian" business -- though more likely I was just killed because I was obvious town.

[Renata]

I guess I would be voting pevergreen today, if I was still alive.

[Beskar]

This is just false, Chaotix. Andross' kills have been anything but random for at least four nights running. Three outed Star Fox members and me.

People seem to forget the limited Mafia kills and the fact Star Fox all revealed themselves publicly.... So the reason Star Fox died is because of their own doing, mainly.

I guess I would be voting pevergreen today, if I was still alive.

Falco (Romanic) said similar earlier, infact, Romanic's choice was pevergreen to be lynched, and Falco said NOT to lynch me. Deluded towns are mafia's best friend.

[Romanic]

I have stopped the town outright lynching known innocents, just like yourself. What a fool. I been far more helpful than the Star Fox team, what lynch did they approve for the town? Beefy's. My choices netted us one mafia and narrowed down the suspects a lot almost to the point we can have the mafia gone within a few rounds guaranteed and you are about to throw that away.

Do you realize that when I read something like this I just want to scream "Oh lynch Beskar already!" ?

What's up with taking all the credit for lynching Pinman and washing your hands about the lynch of Beefy? Both teams played their parts in these events.

Are you going to blame me if pevergreen turns out Cornerian?

You are ready to use my posts at your convenience when it suits you ("Falco said this", "Falco said that") but otherwise you're quick to point out how Team Star Wolf rocks and how Team Star Fox sucks.

You're not getting diplomacy points here.

[johnhughthom]

You're pretty much criticising Beskar for doing what Beskar always does, Romanic.

[Romanic]

You're pretty much criticising Beskar for doing what Beskar always does, Romanic.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm still getting to know Beskar. Normal behavior or not, it does not excuse how he's acting toward our team.