Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Beskar]

Day one tally

11 No Lynch: (shlin28, TheTheFlax, civplayah, Pinman, Beefy187, miotas, Seon, landlubber. remake20, hello_hound, Nightbringer)

8 pevergreen : (Diana Abnoba, Secura, Arpeggiate, choxorn, wideye, YLC, Renata, Chaotix)
2 remake20: (Khazaar, autolycus)
2 Wideye: (joooray, pever)
2 JHT: (Winston Hughes, Double A)
2 Yaseikhaan: (Beskar, Stuck in Pi)
2 TheTheFlax: (Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)
1 Frozen in Ice: (Nightbringer)
1 White_Eyes: (Romanic)
1 Chaotix: (Frozen in Ice)
1 Double A: (Skooma Addict)
1 Kadagar: (DIY)
1 Winston: (JHT)
1 shlin28: (ATPGood)

2 abstain: (Splitpersonality, merciary)

5 did not vote: (Kadagar_AV, Krill, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, White_Eyes:D)


Day two tally

civplayah: 12 (Winston, ATPGood, Nightbringer, wideye, Double A, Yasei, landlubber, merciary, God Emperor, choxorn, Skooma Addict, Chaotix)

shlin28: 4 (Renata, Secura, YLC, splitpersonality)
Renata: 4 (Seon [did not unvote], Frozen In Ice, Beskar, TheTheFlax)
wideyedwanderer: 3 (johnhughthom, Yaropolk, Nightbringer)
White_Eyes: 2 (Diana Abnoba, Romanic)
Beefy187: 1 (ArpeggiateTHIS, Khazaar)
Nictel: 1 (autolycus)
YLC: 1 (miotas)
landlubber: 1 (shlin28)
Arpeggiate: 1 (Beefy187)
autolycus: 1 (Pinman)
Krill: 1 (Krill)

No Lynch: 1 (civplayah)

abstain: 3 (Rob_the_Celt, hello_hound, Nictel)

Did Not Vote: 4 (Joooray, remake20, Stuck in Pi, White_eyes)


Day three tally

shlin28- (12) Renata, Secura, autolycus, Double A, Nightbringer, landlubber [did not unvote], Beskar, DIY, Seon, Joooray, Diana Abnoba, hello_hound

WEW- (10) JHT, Chaotix, Pinman, miotas, Romanic, Nightbringer, Skooma Addict, Yaseikhaan, Alexander the Pretty Good, Beefy187
Krill- (2) TheTheFlax, Yaropolk
Rob_the_Celt- (1) God Emperor
JHT- (1) WEW
God Emperor (1) Khazaar
YLC (1) shlin28

abstain- (1) Krill

Did Not Vote: (9) Frozen in Ice, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Stuck in Pi, White_Eyes:D, Winston Hughes, YLC


Day four tally

Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, TheFlax, Double A, Beskar

Beskar: (7) landlubber, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Frozen in Ice, Pinman

Stuck in Pi: (2) Beefy, Nightbringer
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
ArpeggiateTHIS: (1) Khazaar

No Lynch: (1) hell hound

abstain: (4) Diana, Seon, Skooma, ATPGood

(votes after midnight don't count)

Did Not Vote: (8) (Joooray, Krill, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Winston Hughes , YLC)


Day five tally

17 Seon (choxorn, Renata, TheFlax, Joooray, Beefy, Double A, Diana Abnoba, God Emperor, landlubber, Romanic, Beskar, pevergreen, Frozen, WEW, ATPGood, Secura, miotas)
3 Beefy (Nictel, Skooma Addict, Cultured Drizzt fan)
2 Krill (Nightbringer, Seon)
1 hello_hound (autolycus)
1 pevergreen (DIY)

1 Abstain (hello_hound, JHT)


NOT VOTING: civplayah, Khazaar, Krill, merciary, Rob_the_Celt, Stuck in Pi, Yaseikhaan, YLC

(Krill attempted to vote, so I am cutting him some slack. Everyone else..... is in the dog house.)


Day Six tally

Beefy187: (21) JHT, TheTheFlax, Beskar, Joooray, Nightbringer, Yaseikhaan, miotas, Secura, pevergreen, Skooma Addict, choxorn, Beefy187, Krill, DIY, Renata, ATPGood, landlubber, hello_hound, Frozen in Ice, shlin28, civplayah

Khazaar: (5) Double A, Diana, WEW, ArpeggiateTHIS, Nictel

Psychonaut: pevergreen
hellhound: Chaotix
Skooma Addict: Psychonaut
Double A: Khazaar
Khazaar: autolycus

Abstain: Nightbringer

NOT VOTING: Stuck in Pi


Day Seven tally

Frozen: (10) Beskar, Diana, autolycus, ATPGood, miotas, DIY, choxorn, Skooma, Psycho, Krill
Khazaar: (5) shlin28, landlubber, Chaotix, civplayah, TheTheFlax, Nightbringer [voted late]
landlubber: (2) WEW, Nightbringer
Joooray: (2) Yaseikhaan, Secura
JHT: Joooray
Choxorn: pever
abstain: hello_hound

NOT VOTING: (6) Double A, johnhughthom, Khazaar, Nictel, Stuck in Pi



Day Eight tally

Nictel: (10) Beskar, Skooma, Diana, JHT, Yasei, Nightbringer, pever, miotas, Psycho, DIY
WEW: (3) Nightbringer, choxorn, Chaotix
Diana Abnoba: (2) Khazaar, TheTheFlax
Yaseikhaan: (1) Nictel
Skooma: (1) Double A
Beskar: (1) Krill
Krill: (1) landlubber

abstain: (2) civplayah, WEW

NOT VOTING: (checking) ATPGood, autolycus, hello_hound, shlin28, Secura



Day nine tally

Krill: 8 (Beskar, Nightbringer, Skooma, autoycus, TheTheFlax, landlubber, Nightbringer, hello_hound
Diana: 4 (Choxorn, DIY, Krill, Khazaar)
Beskar: 1 (pevergreen)
autolycus:1 (Secura)
Choxorn: 1 (WEW)

abstain: 1 (ATPGood)




Day 10 tally

pevergreen: Beskar, ATPGood, civplayah, Nightbringer, TheFlax, skooma, lubber, diana, pever, DIY
Beskar: WEW, Chaotix, Psychonaut, autolycus
DIY: Nightbringer
Diana: Khazaar


Day 11 tally

ATPGood: (8) DIY, Nightbringer, autolycus, Secura, civplayah, Yaseikhaan, Khazaar, TheFlax
Beskar: (2) Chaotix, WEW,
miotas: Skooma Addict
autolycus: miotas
WEW: Nightbringer
HH: Diana Abnoba

abstain: Beskar

hello_hound: Did not vote.
Psychonaut: did not vote

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

[Secura]

What?

BTW, hell hound and miotas are both guilty of epic lurking and being mafiaish, lynch one of them tomorrow.

miotas is definitely a good target; he popped up to vote solely to avoid the WoG. >.<

[Renata]

Stick a key in there somewhere for the color coding.

[Beskar]

Grey = Venomian/Star Wolf, Blue = Cornerian/Star Fox, Green = Non-investigated, Brown = Mafia


Based on voting pattern, Miotas definitely rings alarm bells.

[Choxorn]

Also, stop replacing "CDF" with "Nightbringer", it makes the tally screwy.

[Choxorn]

Also, you've marked a few people as dead when their names were abbreviated in the tally- why, exactly?

[Renata]

Replacing CDF with Nightbringer?

Did you investigate Pinman, Beskar?

[Renata]

Final question, because we're approaching the point at which it must be asked. How much do you trust your investigations? There's an option to your survival that I hadn't brought up yet, which is that you're still alive as an investigator because you are no threat. That is a HUGE contradiction if the enemy really is down to hiding among only three people. You may already have 'cleared' the Big Bad.

Though granted I wouldn't expect Psychonaut, Khaan, OR DiY to engage in the epic fail of sending in kill orders for someone already dead. What about those on your team? Any bad vibes?

[Beskar]

If you want to be accurate, none of the people I have investigated are Andross.

If any of the venomians were recruited later, then that is a different point in itself. But I am 100% certain in my results.

[Beskar]

Replacing CDF with Nightbringer?
Did you investigate Pinman, Beskar?

If I did, it was by mistake. I did a "replace" command. But both Nightbringer and CDF are not the mafia anyway, so it doesn't matter much.

[Choxorn]

Replacing CDF with Nightbringer?

Did you investigate Pinman, Beskar?

Yeah, all of CDF's votes in the tally were replaced with Nightbringer, making it look like Nightbringer voted twice every day and CDF didn't vote at all.

[Renata]

Those who did NOT vote Beefy this day, kindly explain your position? I see this almost the opposite of Beskar. It's much easier for the mafia to "get it right" in a situation like that than it is for a townie to do so.

Beefy187: (21) JHT, TheTheFlax, Beskar, Joooray, Nightbringer, Yaseikhaan, miotas, Secura, pevergreen, Skooma Addict, choxorn, Beefy187, Krill, DIY, Renata, ATPGood, landlubber, hello_hound, Frozen in Ice, shlin28, civplayah

Khazaar: (5) Double A, Diana, WEW, ArpeggiateTHIS, Nictel

Psychonaut: pevergreen
hellhound: Chaotix
Skooma Addict: Psychonaut
Double A: Khazaar
Khazaar: autolycus

Abstain: Nightbringer

Edit: Excluding WEW whom I think is town, that would be Diana, Chaotix, Psychonaut, Khazaar, Autolycus, Nightbringer (or maybe CDF).

[Renata]

Saw your post, Beskar -- can you fix it?

[Beskar]

You only need to ask Chaotix and autolycus. Which funnily enough are two of my top suspects... Peppy, you better come through.

[Renata]

Post 451 slightly in Psychonaut/YLC's favor, though nothing definitive. Pinman went "role claim" to a comment of YLC's, complete with juggling smilie. Seemed like he was doing it just to buff his credentials as a Venomian ... drew attention to YLC/Psychonaut as a claimed Cornerian ... actually I'm not sure. Given what Pinman was trying at the same time, it's not impossible YLC might be going for the same in reverse. His posts were certainly over-the-top enough. Not all that different from his behavior in ABZF. Meh, null tell.

[Renata]

Autolycus' record is quite scummy -- third on about three bandwagons (heh) -- except Pinman's, in which he sat at a mafia-comfortable just-past-halfway -- and otherwise voted lurkers.

Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, TheFlax, Double A, Beskar

Beskar: (7) landlubber, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Frozen in Ice, Pinman

Stuck in Pi: (2) Beefy, Nightbringer
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
ArpeggiateTHIS: (1) Khazaar

No Lynch: (1) hell hound

abstain: (4) Diana, Seon, Skooma, ATPGood

(votes after midnight don't count)

Did Not Vote: (8) (Joooray, Krill, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Winston Hughes , YLC)

The no-lynch here is good for hell_hound -- would be a crazy thing to do if he were on Pinman's team.

[Renata]

Will have to continue tomorrow.

[DELETE_THIS]

Day 8... It will always be remembered...

[miotas]

miotas is definitely a good target; he popped up to vote solely to avoid the WoG. >.<

I was unexpectedly without internet from Friday the 9th until Monday the 19th. It was just luck that I got home in time to avoid getting killed

[Nightbringer]

Right, so ArpeggiateTHIS was obviously lying, because if he claimed Bill Grey people would have laughed him down. Yes Nightbringer. Also most curious how your activity level rose magnificently when Beskar was accused by me



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Also, why would Pizza basically place insinuations of a supporting character in role pms at the start?

While benefits are evident, conversely, it would provide unfair verification on the credibility of a claim.

No, Bill grey had been seen quite a bit during the write-ups, and he did claim bill grey, and people didnt laugh him down.
As to my rise in activity, that is because my girlfriend left town for a month about then, giving me too much spare time to sit on the computer.

And i was wondering why i got two votes every time.

[wideyedwanderer]

Those who did NOT vote Beefy this day, kindly explain your position? I see this almost the opposite of Beskar. It's much easier for the mafia to "get it right" in a situation like that than it is for a townie to do so.



Edit: Excluding WEW whom I think is town, that would be Diana, Chaotix, Psychonaut, Khazaar, Autolycus, Nightbringer (or maybe CDF).

Renata actually thinks I'm town? I'll answer the question anyway. I thought Khazaar was as good a suspect as Beefy, so I wanted to give Beefy some time to prove his innocence before voting for him, since he claimed Rob64.

I think Diana, Khazaar, and Nightbringer are either Venomian, or members of Star Wolf. I'd like to believe Autlucus' claim of General Pepper, but one thing I've noticed is that in the other games I've played with him, he's always been more active. This game, he doesn't seem so active...

Anyone else notice that we gave Beskar yet another chance, and once again, he blew it?

[autolycus]

It's true, I often am more active, although my average talkativeness is much lower here than over on CFC, and given that I seem to almost invariably be scum over there, that doesn't really indicate much. But I usually base much of my strategy off of behind the scenes communications, which none of us who aren't part of Star Fox or Star Wolf or scum can have. With respect to the day we lynched Beefy and my not being part of that, I don't honestly remember whether it was because I didn't think lynching someone who'd uncontradictedly claimed ROB was a good idea, or whether I just wasn't on between when Star Fox came out against him and the end of the day.

[Romanic]

If you want to be accurate, none of the people I have investigated are Andross.

If any of the venomians were recruited later, then that is a different point in itself. But I am 100% certain in my results.

How can you say that Beskar? The rules clearly state different:

Investigation roles are not 100% effective

Are you ignoring that fact on purpose?

I already said it, but here it is again: In a game like this, I am expecting that at least Andross will be protected from scan results, and maybe others.

Also, you said that there's only three suspects left, and we know there's at least three mafia left (Shogun, Gorgon, Andross). Odds are that at least one has slipped through your scanning process.

That's another scummy tell for you Beskar: Boasting that your scans are 100% effective when you should be aware that they are not.

Another scummy tell is willingness to reveal Cornerians whenever the occasion arises. You rushed to answer Renata's query to know who were the remaining Cornerians, as if you didn't care at all about them. Now, please answer this question as fast: Who are the member of the Star Wolf team?

Right, no need to answer. I know you won't.

3rd scummy tell: Peppy is the only Star Fox member left around, and you were pushing for him to reveal. Why? The way things are going, you should be aware that Peppy will be killed if he reveals.

4th scummy tell: Your role PM is forged. Many parts are not ATPG's, it's blatant. I was ready to keep silent on this, figuring that you were protecting important information for the town by doing so, but now I don't know anymore.


If you are really working with the Cornerians Beskar, you are doing a really bad job of it. Really, really bad. I've been lenient with you, but I don't believe you anymore.

Y'know, "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could also mean that AA scanning you as neutral is

From now on, Falco will approve any lynch of Beskar. He's too much of a risk.

[Chaotix]

Please note that on these earlier days I was a different character.

During the Beefy lynch day I believe I was a Cornerian. And then shortly after that I died, probably killed by Star Wolf.

I think I stepped in for merciary... 3? 4 rounds ago? Day 8 sounds about right, without an in-depth look at Beskar's list. (Note- with all that color-coding, Beskar probably knows when I stepped in better than me.)


Oh, and Beskar is still scum. That is all.

[Nightbringer]

4th scummy tell: Your role PM is forged. Many parts are not ATPG's, it's blatant. I was ready to keep silent on this, figuring that you were protecting important information for the town by doing so, but now I don't know anymore.

Y'know, "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could also mean that AA scanning you as neutral is

From now on, Falco will approve any lynch of Beskar. He's too much of a risk.

Can you explain what about his role pm is forged? That would make the argument much more convincing. We should also keep in mind that the "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could easily be about investigators only being able to check whether people are neutral. Or only being able to check whether they are town, as we have seen them work all along.

[Choxorn]

Can you explain what about his role pm is forged? That would make the argument much more convincing. We should also keep in mind that the "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could easily be about investigators only being able to check whether people are neutral. Or only being able to check whether they are town, as we have seen them work all along.

The Quicktopic link leads to an Epic Fail Pic, and the names of his partners aren't revealed. That's completely understandable, but still evidence that it's been forged.

[Romanic]

Can you explain what about his role pm is forged? That would make the argument much more convincing.

Besides the obvious part that Choxorn mentioned, the following part is forged:

Ability: You can investigate.

• Don't get too cocky, Star Fox. - You can select one target and scan them.

Blatant lack of details: Does not mention when he can scan, nor the kind of result he will get. That's not from ATPG, he's more conscientious.

Conclusion: Beskar is not a scanner.

That, per se, does not make Beskar an enemy of the Town, but there's been too many scumtells, and being caught in a lie is just one of them.

We should also keep in mind that the "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could easily be about investigators only being able to check whether people are neutral.

To me, "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" means that you will not get the right scanning result every time, but how it works is unclear.

The scanning power he is claiming is too powerful compared to what we've seen so far:

Double A: able to scan for neutrals, getting a yes/no result if someone was neutral.
Romanic: able to scan for Venomians, getting a yes/no result if someone was Venomian.

Beskar: able to investigate, getting a faction as a result <---- Seriously?

And claiming that his scans are 100% effective. That's just does not work with game balance. Why would 2 Star Fox members have lowly scanning powers and Beskar such a strong one?

He's lying.

[Nightbringer]

Good explanation, I'll give Beskar a chance to explain before drawing any conclusions

[pevergreen]

Blatant lack of details: Does not mention when he can scan, nor the kind of result he will get. That's not from ATPG, he's more conscientious.

Quite possible, I also don't think that Don't get too cocky, star fox would be used

Why not use the actual line: "I can't let you do that Star Fox." ATPG has used lines from Lylat Wars in the writeups.

[Beskar]

Anyone else notice that we gave Beskar yet another chance, and once again, he blew it?

What did I blow? I didn't choose the kill choice. Again.

Falco will approve any lynch of Beskar. He's too much of a risk.

I am not a risk at all. Don't be a fool.

Beskar: able to investigate, getting a faction as a result <---- Seriously?

And claiming that his scans are 100% effective. That's just does not work with game balance. Why would 2 Star Fox members have lowly scanning powers and Beskar such a strong one?

He's lying.

No, I am not.

I am able to investigate with getting their ship as a result. Also, it works with game balance a lot, since both Star Fox and Cornerians get a truck full of power-roles, revivers, etc, and we basically have one for us and the entire venomians.




Also, stop trying to purposefully screw up the game and hand over the mafia a victory. Seriously. Even Double A proved I was a neutral so instead focus on the suspects. There are 5 people who are not investigated, Andross is one of those five and he needs to die ASAP or we all lose. Peppy needs to follow me, so we can make best use of the opportunity to get Andross.