Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Renata]

Thanks to Atpg for a great game and great commentary. This was my first game as a purely passive power role. I must say, it's an interesting experience, because I knew no more than a regular townie, but had to place a higher value on my own life and couldn't readily prove my identity.

If I'd gotten that role I'd have shot myself. :) Good job.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The reason for my apparently suspicious reveal is that I was going on vacation, there were no replacement players left, and I wouldn't have been able to say anything if I didn't reveal.

Yep; there are often really good reasons to do things. In this case, you probably felt compelled to say something.

The timing was just off, legitimate reasons or not; it got people thinking you were both nervous, but also not concerned with being targetted by Andross. You didn't personally make many obvious mistakes, and even that much wasn't enough to turn the tide against you solely. It was good detective work that did that.

A stunning and near-victorious run; nothing to be ashamed of here.

[TheFlax]

Thanks for the game ATPG and for the commentary. One of the most fun I've played.

[landlubber]

The commentary was so good I feel a bit sad that it's over.

[wideyedwanderer]

I don't see how my voting pattern looked bad? I had no abilities, and voted like a clueless vanilla townie, which was what I was supposed to do?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't see how my voting pattern looked bad? I had no abilities, and voted like a clueless vanilla townie, which was what I was supposed to do?

No fault of your own; your vote just ended up on certain people that subsequently found you scummy for it.

ATPGood, pevergreen, choxorn, abstain, landlubber, Seon, johnhughthom, civplayah, pevergreen.

You did vote for Pinman when he was lynched, and Khazaar when he wasn't lynched, which is a mark in your favor. But, often times, random townie votes will look bad to those being voted for by the random townie. Often times that is mistaken for mafia votes. But if you'll look at the actual mafia votes in this game, other than focusing on Beskar, they tried to avoid making votes they knew would look scummy. Avoiding voting for other revealed members of Star Wolf, avoiding voting for revealed members of Star Fox, avoiding voting for scanned people, even ones they shouldn't have known were scanned yet, but did, because they saw Beskar's results in the quicktopic. The idea of mafia is often to avoid making waves. Some players like Chaotix will make more waves than others, but most of the mafia will avoid controversial votes and go for ones that actually look like they are plausibly mafia, but coincidentally are not. Such as the unscanned Wideyedwanderer, the unscanned Autolycus.... and so on. Vote for the plausible suspects, who are also not guilty. That's typical mafia.

But commonly mistaken for scummy behavior, is wideyedwanderer voting for Fox, and Katt, and several townies. You even voted for Beefy/Rob64 after Seon revealed as "scum", before being prompted to change it.

If anything, some of your votes should have been evidence that you weren't worried about looking scummy. But, stereotypically, you voted for a bunch of townies and pro-townies, even when it was dangerous to do so, therefore you must have been guilty.

There is a difference between common misconceptions or perceptions of being scummy, and actually being scummy. People's scumdars aren't always that attuned. But really no one is at fault because it is a game of incomplete information.... it happens.

[Diana Abnoba]

Thanks again Pizza for another outstanding game. Loved your commentary, as well. Great to learn by. This game was one of my favorite end games, the excitement, the drama...

[pevergreen]

voting for me = you will lose. Take heed of that everyone.