So, we need more gay people to have kids...

[HoreTore]

You successfully left me in a bemused state on whether you are attempting to do a joke with me, or trying to do a joke at my expense.

Though, you forget the lines like "I am on the pill." or they supply a broken condom.

Haven't had it happened personally to myself, but I know quite a number of incidents where both straight and lesbians have done this.

"On the pill? Hah! I'm still putting on my rubber, thankyouverymuch.

You have your own condom? What a coincidence; so do I! Let's go with mine, shall we?"

That's my mode of operation. I strongly suggest that everyone else adopts it too. Condoms need to be treated properly. You can treat it properly yourself, but you have no garantuee that the other won't leave it in the sun or something else that'll ruin it.

I went along with "I'm on the pill" once. The result was that I was nervous for the next 9 months. Not going down that road ever again, I tell you....

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I've never understood hatred of gays, a lot of it coming from people I otherwise agree with politically. It has no basis in rational thought, much like antisemitism. I blame deep seeded religious influences.

Actually, I guess you could blame the Jews for writing the Torah that has been the basis of homophobia for millenia.

I think it has more to do people being insecure about their homosexuality. Homophobia is almost always directed at same-sex homosexuals.

"On the pill? Hah! I'm still putting on my rubber, thankyouverymuch.

You have your own condom? What a coincidence; so do I! Let's go with mine, shall we?"

That's my mode of operation. I strongly suggest that everyone else adopts it too. Condoms need to be treated properly. You can treat it properly yourself, but you have no garantuee that the other won't leave it in the sun or something else that'll ruin it.

I went along with "I'm on the pill" once. The result was that I was nervous for the next 9 months. Not going down that road ever again, I tell you....

You have issues, really.

Anyway, pregnancy is hardly the most negative outcome of having sex, it's probably the least serious if anything.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think it has more to do people being insecure about their homosexuality. Homophobia is almost always directed at same-sex homosexuals.

That would take one heck of a coincidence since homophobia seems to be more a cultural thing than down to individual beliefs. So all the chavs are really just insecure in their sexuality? And everyone in Redneckistan? And places like Africa as well (Uganda in particular, I have a very funny video I might post)? But somehow everyone that lives in tolerant places like Sweden, or middle-class southern England, isnt'?

Plus, people that are generally 'intolerant' tend to be the ones that are homophobic. From personal experience, sectarianism tends to be the main source of intolerant sentiments, followed by homosexuality, then a bit of racism but not much really. So are these people really just insecure in their religion or their skin colour and that's why they don't like Catholics/blacks?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That would take one heck of a coincidence since homophobia seems to be more a cultural thing than down to individual beliefs. So all the chavs are really just insecure in their sexuality? And everyone in Redneckistan? And places like Africa as well (Uganda in particular, I have a very funny video I might post)? But somehow everyone that lives in tolerant places like Sweden, or middle-class southern England, isnt'?

Plus, people that are generally 'intolerant' tend to be the ones that are homophobic. From personal experience, sectarianism tends to be the main source of intolerant sentiments, followed by homosexuality, then a bit of racism but not much really. So are these people really just insecure in their religion or their skin colour and that's why they don't like Catholics/blacks?

we're just more repressed in Europe. People are just a prejudiced, they just hide it better, and because we have greater education we are better at hiding our prejudices or choosing socially acceptable ones.

Take the fashion in anti-religious prejudice among the intelligencia, for example, it's just as ugly as homophobia or racism (and lays many of the same charges, such as inherrent stupidity or moral degeneracy).

Look at the way Kadagar responded to my posts, for example.

People who really want children and go at great odds to "get" one are more prepared and they really desire one, so they're much more attentive than the average person with his child.

None of which is inherently about homosexuality.

[Beskar]

Anyway, pregnancy is hardly the most negative outcome of having sex, it's probably the least serious if anything.

That is really incorrect. Pregnancy is the most serious, what is more serious than that, is Pregnancy and HIV at the sametime.

[HoreTore]

You have issues, really.

Anyway, pregnancy is hardly the most negative outcome of having sex, it's probably the least serious if anything.

Uhm..... I have "issues" because I don't want to knock someone up or get an std....? Care to explain?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Uhm..... I have "issues" because I don't want to knock someone up or get an std....? Care to explain?

Your obsession with the condom as some sort of Holy Shield against trouble is not very healthy.

[Centurion1]

OLol I would rather be adopted by a upper middle class hetero family than an upper middle class homosexual family. Not because they would be worse parents, au contrare I. Can't imagine the ribbing said child would get from other children.

Eventually because of social engineering such issues will become moot.

I bet kadagar expected me as a athlete, catholic, male, american, teenager, conservative to be like, "no the gayz are evilz"

Once again false as a good looking (well not hideous) popular male I am very comfortable with my sexuality. I have a couple gay friends one who is open about it and another who has only told a few of us.

[Kadagar_AV]

OLol I would rather be adopted by a upper middle class hetero family than an upper middle class homosexual family. Not because they would be worse parents, au contrare I. Can't imagine the ribbing said child would get from other children.

Eventually because of social engineering such issues will become moot.

I bet kadagar expected me as a athlete, catholic, male, american, teenager, conservative to be like, "no the gayz are evilz"

Once again false as a good looking (well not hideous) popular male I am very comfortable with my sexuality. I have a couple gay friends one who is open about it and another who has only told a few of us.

Not really. You obviously have the technical skills required to get out on the internet, and somehow you adopted a will to further your cognitive skills by participating in debates on said net.

With that background, I would be more surprised if you were a gay basher :)


A friend of mine (American) had a fantastic quote about it: I am not saying all gay haters are stupid rednecks, but all stupid rednecks are gay haters.

[HoreTore]

Your obsession with the condom as some sort of Holy Shield against trouble is not very healthy.

Properly used, and taken care of, the condom is 100% effective. Not 99%, not 98%, but 100%.

And I know how to use one. So yeah, it really is my holy shield against making babies, and it makes the pope mad as well! Score!!

[Azathoth]

Properly used, and taken care of, the condom is 100% effective. Not 99%, not 98%, but 100%.

And I know how to use one. So yeah, it really is my holy shield against making babies, and it makes the pope mad as well! Score!!

Not true. Some of them may be damaged before they ever make it onto the user's penis. No method of birth control is 100% effective, not even sterilization. Well, except maybe most surgical abortion procedures.

I went along with "I'm on the pill" once. The result was that I was nervous for the next 9 months. Not going down that road ever again, I tell you....

9 months? Wouldn't it be 1 or 2 months?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Interesting article. One amidst a sea of articles that suggest better outcomes for married heterosexual couples. The english article makes a mention of how the study was funded solely by gay and lesbian groups., that's interesting as I'm sure you would disregard studies done by "christian family groups" as biased to the extreme, a-priori.

[Viking]

Properly used, and taken care of, the condom is 100% effective. Not 99%, not 98%, but 100%.

If something went wrong during production, it could be 0% effective.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Properly used, and taken care of, the condom is 100% effective. Not 99%, not 98%, but 100%.

And I know how to use one. So yeah, it really is my holy shield against making babies, and it makes the pope mad as well! Score!!

I refer you to my honourable friends below. The only 100% effective birth-control is no sexual contact, i.e. no heavy petting.

(Yes kids, that includes ear sex).

Not true. Some of them may be damaged before they ever make it onto the user's penis. No method of birth control is 100% effective, not even sterilization. Well, except maybe most surgical abortion procedures.

Thank you.

9 months? Wouldn't it be 1 or 2 months?

I would think three or four at the outside, but then if she was a one-night stand you never see again then you should have cold sweats for 18 years until you're no longer liable for child support. Provided, that is, that the prospect of having children terrifies you that much.

If something went wrong during production, it could be 0% effective.

Thank you.

Interesting article. One amidst a sea of articles that suggest better outcomes for married heterosexual couples. The english article makes a mention of how the study was funded solely by gay and lesbian groups., that's interesting as I'm sure you would disregard studies done by "christian family groups" as biased to the extreme, a-priori.

Which is why I made the point that this study could actually be used to argue for "traditional" conservative family values and abstinence, rather than homosexuality.