Klerouchies in Ptolemaic Egypt

[Moros]

you should have taken statistics first

I passed that one last year 16 on 20, so no problem. Also the main reason I failed is I only had one day to learn it and as I had a more important exam before it I just chose to put all my effort in the other one. Quite sure I'll pass it in September. It's a fun professor though, not always that organised in his courses and way of work, but you can really learn from him. Good old Willy, sad that he's probably going to retire in not so far future, we're really have been losing a bunch of good professors the last and will be comming years.

[oudysseos]

Excellent post.

[Moros]

Excellent post.

Indeed, if there were only more posts like this. But well the last one who made such post became a member, hmmm oudy?
I do miss a 'the art of keeping a secret' like thread as well though.

[Ibrahim]

I passed that one last year 16 on 20, so no problem. Also the main reason I failed is I only had one day to learn it and as I had a more important exam before it I just chose to put all my effort in the other one. Quite sure I'll pass it in September. It's a fun professor though, not always that organised in his courses and way of work, but you can really learn from him. Good old Willy, sad that he's probably going to retire in not so far future, we're really have been losing a bunch of good professors the last and will be comming years.

Ah, I see. but seriously, a day to learn that book? It took me 3 days to learn a similar book on historical geology.

[Cute Wolf]

nice read

[Moros]

Ah, I see. but seriously, a day to learn that book? It took me 3 days to learn a similar book on historical geology.

Nah, didn't have to learn the book. I actually have never read it even.

[Lysandros]

Ok, this comes late and I really liked reading the paper, but here's a little remark. You say: "In theory, the lot was the property of the King, and once the soldier who had been given it was dead, or incapable of serving, the land would revert to the King and be given out to another Klerouch. This rarely, if ever was enforced, however."
In Sage's sourcebook you are citing is a proof that the land indeed was reverted when a klerouch died (or at least the administration tried to do so, and it doesn't sound like an irregular praxis) - you probably overlooked it. Anyway, at least up to 237/8 BC the land fell back to the king:
"Artemidorus. I have written below a copy for your information of the letter to Nicanor.
Ninth year, Phaophi 29.
To Nicanor: The cavalrymen listed below have died. Repossess their allotments for the royal
treasury.
At Boubastis, in the lochos of Epimenes, Sitalces the leader, son of…
At Theogeneis, lochos of Lacon…machus son of Sea…, captain…." (Sage, 221f.)

[Hax]

@Moros: Does he teach at Leuven University?

[Cyclops]

Very nice little read. I am interested in the "mutation" of the nature of the klerouchy over time. I am reminded of more than one military/social institution, eg Janissaries and Strelzy, the way the financial rewards of service are transmuted into a partible inheritance.

I wonder if there's a way to build a long term "decay" into the klerouch system. Increased corruption from wealth becoming concentrated over generation? Dunno.

Just reading a little book about Imperialism Phillip II of Macedon where it mentions Athenioan klerouchs in Chalkidike, and the settlement of Phillips Hetaroi on lots in conquered Olynthus. Way too simplified to contribute anything here though but this gave a nice sidelight on what I read.

...the main reason I failed is ...(

not because you couldn't resist saying "hello, Clarysse" in a really creepy Anthony Hopkins voice?

[Ailfertes]

Good old Willy, sad that he's probably going to retire in not so far future, we're really have been losing a bunch of good professors the last and will be comming years.

Yeah all the good people are coming to Ghent
No, but seriously, Louvain has one of the best departments on Hellenistic Egypt in the world, with Clarysse being the foremost representative. Nevertheless I'm sure his replacement (if there is one, silly austerity) will be great as well.