A two month ban? Where did that come from?

[Banquo's Ghost]

You might as well have noted that ModeratorXXX is me.

Your removal from the Backroom is based on a continuous history of trolling and provocation. If you review your own long and stellar infraction history with any degree of self-awareness, you would understand this. However, you seem unable or unwilling to understand the effect your posts have on the community of the Backroom. The long time-out was considered by all the BR staff and seemed appropriate in the hope you will review your posting style if you wish to return to the community - since admonitions have not worked. It is especially tiresome that you enjoy dancing around the edges of the letter of the rules whilst clearly breaking their spirit. As you have noticed, I'm a spirit kind of chap.

You are just the latest in a fairly long list of aggrieved rules lawyers that nurse the belief that I have a grudge against them. Feel free to take comfort in that illusion. It is the constructive and polite members of the Backroom that actually occupy my thoughts.

[Beskar]

Have to be honest Khadgar_AV, you regularly provoke and give snide comments, even when you attempt to "lessen them" by sticking a smilie on, which just looks condescending and not at all, like a tease.

For example, you would reply with things like "Would be best to keep your thoughts to yourself. ". The smilie in this instance isn't a tease or attempt to be friendly. It is considered rude.

Examples of this sort of action is done the in the quotes you did, like you randomly attacked a member isn't known for their articulation on that fact, opposed to simply commenting a more poliet

While I appreciate your supporting view, I would prefer you articulate your opinions better as it distracts from the message you are trying to convey.

While to quote what you said:

As I usually say to toddlers and less brained when trying to teach them - use your words. I am of course not implying you would be less brained.

Notice a difference? You could have made your point without having to stoop down to random name calling.

You might have feel hurt or badly done to, I have to admit, it is not a "shock horror" moment, when I was told about it, my first thought was "The infractions must have caught up with him".

While I will admit, you sometimes make some very good contributions to the backroom, perhaps when you return, you would lighten up a little, and we can all get together, sit in a circle and sing kumbaya.

[Centurion1]

I will not post his reply, mainly because it includes words that would not be permitted here. Rest assured though that it was not very friendly.

Why am I bringing this up? Well, I would like to have it noted that I absolutely had no intention to antagonize anyone on a personal level.

It was only after him attacking me one a personal level in multiple threads that my snide comments towards him started.

Are you prepared for a rebuttal? If you want to make claims of that like let us first present the evidence.

Response to initial PM

I got an infraction, I don't feel like dealing with your crap. What do you want me to apologise for being athletic

This doesn't seem to have anything that is particularly vulgar? Unless you refer to the word crap, which could be construed as to what I have had to deal with from you of late. True it was not particularly friendly but at the moment I was not in the mood to forgive you.

Note* I edited post a bit i misspelled "being" and "don't" in the initial writing.

To which you then replied,

That was not exactly my point.

Re-read and come again mate :)

PS: Oh, and infractions... not a biggie. 3 and you are out for some time. You lose one per month or so.

I dont know what you got the infraction for, but follow forum rules and they wont start to stack, I am sure :)

To which I responded.

I've never gotten one before and yes you were insinuating through the use of sarcasm the fact that I value athleticism over mental capabilities and also implied as a result of my particularity for sports that I'm an imbecile

He may act as though infractions are not a big deal but I like to refrain from receiving said infractions. The post in question did in fact not make direct the claims I am aggrieved over. They were implied however behind a veil of sarcasm.

As to the point I am attacking him......... It was in my knowledge defense if you are simply responding to anothers attacks.

Would I have been a mod, I would have asked both sides to step down. I would gladly have accepted that. Bear in mind, I was only snide because I had a lot of juvenile posting directed at me (you know the type: “you ******” LOL”).

I would like to point out that I have had to deal with quite a bit of sarcastic and insulting posts regarding everything from my real life extracurricular's, posting style, politics, being juvenile.

In finality i want to add that I understand why I received these warnings and Infractions and for every warning and infraction kadagar received from our squabble that Kadagar received I also received. However, did I complain? No, I did not call foul, however juvenile I may be I accepted my punishment. I must add I did not apologise in the slightest to the mods for my behavior. In fact I wrote a rather heated response to Ser Clegane about how I did not care. (I Do apologise for that).

I would like to add I see the complete futility of the silly little skirmish Kadagar and I have engaged in. I was about to send him a PM regarding my apologies and a agreement to end "hostilities". I would be more than happy to after you return from your ban Kadagar.

[PanzerJaeger]

Is that it? You should have been around back when Soly was swinging the banstick. The Tavern had a completely different feel to it... more raw, more partisan, and far more exciting! Titans of rhetoric, sarcasm and nuance viciously fought over the day's big issues. Those were the good old days. Today, the atmosphere is far calmer, more subdued, and - some would say - less interesting.

One thing has held true throughout the years, though. You will never win against the moderators (not that I think you should win in this situation). You have no rights, and are only allowed to be in the Backroom at their discretion. They are usually quite benevolent in exercising their power, but make no mistake that it is their power - given directly by the site's owners/administrators - to do with what they will.

I have never seen a mod fall from "grace" other than Soly, and that wasn't for his rather constant abuse of patrons, but for a completely unrelated scandal that caused him not to return.

[TosaInu]

Hello PanzerJaeger,

What's a scandal and what not, what's abuse and what not is not todays discussion. However, I object the implication that Solypsist fell from grace (in the implied way from site's owners/administrators grace that is).

True, he didn't return, but that has nothing to do with any staff action.

[Fragony]

I usually disagree with the mods when I get a warning point, but they have to wade through a lot of sarcasm and could-be offense. Glad I am not in their shoes as it isn't always that straightforward, especially since the average orger is a little bit more refined.

[Meneldil]

Goodbye ;)


Do I get a warning point for this?

[PanzerJaeger]

Hello PanzerJaeger,

What's a scandal and what not, what's abuse and what not is not todays discussion. However, I object the implication that Solypsist fell from grace (in the implied way from site's owners/administrators grace that is).

True, he didn't return, but that has nothing to do with any staff action.

I actually meant to imply exactly what you said - that he left of his own volition - which supported my broader point that these kinds of accusations against moderators never amount to anything. I apologize for not being clearer.

[Vladimir]

Try to not let it affect you too much. You do occasionally make a significant contribution to a thread.

Don't let this totally discourage you. Everyone has some value to add.

[Kadagar_AV]

BQ, I prefer not to name drop.

To use your own words, if you would have noticed, my long and stellar career in the backroom has led to a lot of changes in my style of posting. I have tried to abide the rules.

However, as you say, you are a "spirit kind of chap". So if you deem the spirit unwelcome... ... ... Anyway, one might have wished the rules would have been more clear, or YOU more friendly (don't really have a problem with most other contacts with mods). I guess that makes me a spirit kind of chap huh? I dont like your moderating skills (or lack there-of).

The infraction I posted above, where I get a infraction for bumping a thread is a prime example. How the hell would anyone see that infraction coming, I just bumped a thread after I noticed it had been mentioned in another thread, to make it easier for people to find it. Didn't insult anyone, didn't even make a stand on the issue. It was one of those times when I could prove with actual dates and times that you were wrong. Did you step down, nah, your personal little e-peen wouldnt suffer that. Instead you just whimsed together some other accusation totally unrelated to what the infraction was about in the first place. Bad style, and def not the first time you have made bad calls on intention.

See, here is my point:

You can read something in a positive way, neutral way, or negative way.

There are examples of forum users, a few comes to mind, who push hard to read things in a positive way. There are also people who do their best do read in a neutral way.

You, however, let your emotions seep through, and often act on what you believe is the intent, and quite often from a negative perspective (specially if you don't like this persons beliefs). You must understand that gets, well, tedious after a while.

So basically, from what I have seen and witnessed, you let your own personal judgement at large cloud your functioning as a mod. I am not impressed. At all. On occasions you have even assaulted members in threads, I have def reacted to some of your posting. Very uncool.

And I know you argue this is a "illusion" from my point, that will stand for you. I have another view of the issue, and that is that you read some members from a positive perspective, and some from a negative. Of course we all do that to some extent, you just happen to be the least controlled.


Beskar, as I said, I didnt enjoy the little forum fight with centurion1 either. Snide comments sure, and it could easily have been resolved. Was I rude, sure, but imagine meeting personal attacks including a whole lot of asterisk's in thread after thread, you would probably also start to get a bit rude after a while. I do not think that you, or anyone else, can accuse me of unprovoked having jumped on members, or?


Fragony, BQ is the only mod I have had issues with. Rest seem to do as OK as can be expected.


Meneldil, probably not. Tata.


Vladimir, 2 months is a long time, and I am sure that by then I will have found something else to occupy my time. Actually, already have, hence my delayed response.


Centurion1, I am not sure your rebuttal actually went against anything I said. Crap might not be seen as vulgar to you, but then, BQ has tried to give me infractions for writing "pubic hair", so I def take no chances. That was however one of those few times some more cognitive side of him came awake and told the rest of his brain he was being silly.

I actually dont think I got any infractions from our squabble, except when they gathered all the close-to infractions into a 2 month ban for some reasons.

Anyway, I am off now, just wanted to assure you I have no ill feelings towards you what so ever. I by far do not consider you an idiot, and never have. We had an issue a night when I was drunk, I tried to stop it ASAP, and after that I have just been slightly tired fighting you on the forums (and I guess it showed).

But I must say, I didnt put any real soul into it, dont know who you are, and from the little I know you seem to be a promising young man :)

So all the best of luck to you :)



Big thanks to TosaInu for putting in the time, has felt like a home for years.

Also big thanks to the backroom, so many strong characters in one place, keep duking it out! Cant really single out anyone, friend or foe (then, I dont really have any foes from my side, even the ones furthest from me politically have been staunch side-kicks in some threads).


So, time for me to bow out of this forum...

*bow*