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Thread: Do you have any tips how to beat the Romans with an Averni/Lusotanna factions?
VikingPower 13:04 06-15-2010
But when concerning the Lusotanna faction then which is the best medium unit which has a combat bonus in woods?

Is it Illergetan soldiers, Iberian medium infantry, Celtibrerian heavy infantry, or Callaechi medium infantry? (I am excluding Iberian medium spearmen for I know it is already one of the best units of that faction).

But about the Ambushers (Iabarannata) then I am not sure whether I should have them or Javeliners since the latter have a better attack as a light spearmen, so Javeliners could be more proper as a supporting units in melee with mine infantry.

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Apázlinemjó 14:16 06-15-2010
Originally Posted by VikingPower:
But when concerning the Lusotanna faction then which is the best medium unit which has a combat bonus in woods?

Is it Illergetan soldiers, Iberian medium infantry, Celtibrerian heavy infantry, or Callaechi medium infantry? (I am excluding Iberian medium spearmen for I know it is already one of the best units of that faction).

But about the Ambushers (Iabarannata) then I am not sure whether I should have them or Javeliners since the latter have a better attack as a light spearmen, so Javeliners could be more proper as a supporting units in melee with mine infantry.
Illergetans against lightly armoured foes (They have 0.225 lethality which is nice) and Iberium medium infantry against armoured foes (They have AP javelins and AP swords too), I guess you can leave out the Gallaechi.

Celtiberians are heavy, they have high morale (15) which makes them perfect for line-holders, however against armoured foes, you should get Loricati Scutari because of their AP swords (they have almost the same price).

The difference between the Javelineers and the Ambushers is small --> The Ambushers' range is longer and their javelin has +1 attack, however Javelineers' secondy spear has 2 more attack and +0.001 (lol) lethality. If you want a deadlier skirmisher then choose Ambushers, if you want a support spearmen unit than choose Javelineers.

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MisterFred 14:53 06-15-2010
One other big thing you can do (especially as Lusotann) against the Romans is sneakily host and drop the mnai level down to 30 or even 24k. This frequently allows you to outnumber them considerably rather than just use chevrons to improve your troops. If you outnumber them heavily, you can use your advantage in Javelineers/Ambushers (the Lusotann's most iconic troops, in my opinion) to flank the Roman line and devastate them with javelins to the back. The only real problem you might run into is an Imperial army using their good archers. But slingers are excellent against those archers, as their main defense is chainmail.

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athanaric 22:32 06-15-2010
Originally Posted by MisterFred:
But slingers are excellent against those archers, as their main defense is chainmail.
And those archers are excellent versus slingers, because of their tremendous range and superior attack. So yeah.
Still, as I suggested, you can decimate the Roman cavalry with slingers. As soon as you have the cavalry advantage, those archers are less of a threat. And IMO spamming archers as Rome is lame anyway. Real Romans use snipers, and no more than one unit of Balearic or Cretan mercs.

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Apázlinemjó 22:36 06-15-2010
Originally Posted by athanaric:
And those archers are excellent versus slingers, because of their tremendous range and superior attack. So yeah.
Still, as I suggested, you can decimate the Roman cavalry with slingers. As soon as you have the cavalry advantage, those archers are less of a threat. And IMO spamming archers as Rome is lame anyway. Real Romans use snipers, and no more than one unit of Balearic or Cretan mercs.
True Romans don't need missile units nor cavalry, just heavy infantry in massive quantity, muahhahaha!

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Geticus 02:14 06-16-2010
The Arverni have some of the best spear/sword infantry in the game, namely Arjos (slow but very strong with exceptional morale), Helvetian phalanxes (strong but fast with good stamina), Alpine phalanx mercs and Massilian hoplites. In addition the Gauls have AP axemen as many have observed and fear through gaesatae. The Romans love to stand in line, with guard mode on, and shoot you down with imperial Eastern archers. So don't even waste your time with slingers, the eastern archers will destroy them too easily. Spend all your money on quality infantry (no bataroas, their morale is too low) and cavalry support, a few brihentin should be fine, Celto-germanic cavalry are also good. March forward with a big infantry mass, a few rows deep in a loose square formation, with the Arjos in front since they are very strong against missiles. Surround your opponents' left flank. Most of your army will have level four shields with good armor so you shouldn't take too much damage from arrows, whatever you suffer you will return in the melee since you aren't spending money on archers. The majority of your army should be spear/shield infantry, with axemen (Rhaetian mercs FTW) and gaesatae in reserve. Turn the Roman flank where it is thinnest and weakest and attack the most exposed cohort on the flank with Arjos. The Arjos should perform well due to their excellent morale and armor as long as you didn't tire them out much on the aproach. Keep the gaesatae in reserve but close enough to the battle so that the enemy suffers morale loss. Surround any vulnerable, exposed Roman cohort on two sides if there isn't risk of being blasted with javelins from the unshielded side. Once you start massacring a vulnerable cohort, chances are the Roman player will start breaking his formation and send help. Meet them one on one and spread the battle out. After the battle becomes a bit messy, charge an exposed cohort with your cavalry. The Roman should counter with his own cavalry or perhaps more legionary cohorts or auxiliary cohorts. Whatever he sends, support your cavalry and protect them with spear/shield infantry, Helviatian phalanxes and Alpine phalanxes are both good for cavalry support. Once you have drawn the battle out and turned it into a proper, chaotic bloodbath, send the gaesatae and Rhaetian axemen reserves at the extreme flank. Micromanage the bloody mess well and you should have a good chance at overcoming Roman numbers through superior lethality, armor piercing, and fear.

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G. Septimus 03:42 06-16-2010
without using long-descriptions,
use a full-exp and badass unit :D

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