A Bridge Zhou Far - Three Stars Rising [Concluded]

[Subotan]

About revolts:


If more than 50% of non-officers vote for a revolt (In addition to a lynch), then the Chairman is executed, and one of the revoltees is elected Chairman. All of the Officers revert to their original status. The game then progress to another election stage.

Vote:Revolt should be fine.

[Romanic]

About revolts:


If more than 50% of non-officers vote for a revolt (In addition to a lynch), then the Chairman is executed, and one of the revoltees is elected Chairman. All of the Officers revert to their original status. The game then progress to another election stage.

Vote:Revolt should be fine.

Does it mean we have to vote:revolt instead of voting to lynch someone?

[Subotan]

No, you can revolt as well as lynch.


And nothing happens if you vote for a revolt, and then it fails, unlike Pirate Ship Mafia. So sleep safe comrades, Bess isn't coming to get you.

[Romanic]

vote:Revolt

[seireikhaan]

Vote: The Flax

I do not appreciate all of this talk of disloyalty. The kill rates have been remarkably slow, and we've had multiple successful protections. We're not perfect, but I think, overall, we've done a pretty solid job of keeping things in check.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Vote: The Flax

I do not appreciate all of this talk of disloyalty. The kill rates have been remarkably slow, and we've had multiple successful protections. We're not perfect, but I think, overall, we've done a pretty solid job of keeping things in check.

At the same time, I think Romanic's right not to immediately trust our authority, no matter how well they are performing. After all, the performance may be directly due to the actions of our highest members.

Actually: Unvote; Vote: Revolt

[GeneralHankerchief]

TheFlax visited Double A's and Renata's tent last night.

As soon as ACIN logs on he will confirm that I am a loyal Communist.

And yes, I may have been a bit hasty with Secura's vigging, but at that point so far we had killed/executed ZERO enemies, and I don't trust Pinman as far as I can throw him. Can you blame me for wanting results?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

whoa guys, Revolt seems a bit hasty. I will admit I have my doubts about GH, but it seems like you guys are acting a bit to fast. In fact that kind of trips my capidar.

Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS

[Renata]

Thank you. Edit (@ GH)

CDF, what doubts? And why ArpeggiateTHIS instead of Romanic (or me, or YLC, or anyone else who has expressed doubts of their own)? Also, what do you think of TheFlax and why? You said something about bad lynch, but never explained it.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

whoa guys, Revolt seems a bit hasty. I will admit I have my doubts about GH, but it seems like you guys are acting a bit to fast. In fact that kind of trips my scumdar.

Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS

He said the "S" word, punish him Subo!

And why me rather than Romanic, he's far more self-motivated and profiteering than I am.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

He said the "S" word, punish him Subo!

And why me rather than Romanic, he's far more self-motivated and profiteering than I am.

You are the one jumping on the idea with him. And fine, I will change it to "capidar" as in capitalist radar.

[Secura]

Revoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevolt...
Revolt!!!!

When I read this I felt a sudden wave of affection for you, Romanic... it was refreshing to see someone is keeping track of the Chairman and his officers, and someone who's actually dedicated to change.

The current administration has clearly been inept, I'd wholeheartedly support your motion if I was still alive. Good on you, sir. :3

Can you blame me for wanting results?

So, what happens when my role is revealed? You're not going to get the results that you so heavily desire, unfortunately.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

You are the one jumping on the idea with him. And fine, I will change it to "capidar" as in capitalist radar.

I didn't "jump on" anything. In fact, I had originally voted to lynch TheFlax earlier, before changing my mind. I even edited my post from cautioning Romanic to agreeing with him, so in truth, it is you that jumped on an idea. Your suggestion to lynch me is based on an excuse.

Besides, you have no evidence whatsoever against me. Go catch some real capitalists.

EDIT: Secura, where's my praise?

[Renata]

One more thing, though, GH:

Please explain the discrepancy between your reaction to Secura, Pinman and yourself as regards the various investigations done.
Secura: suspicious enough to vig despite "loyal" result from Pinman
Pinman: suspicious despite "loyal" result from ACIN (is that what he got? full investigation? or only partial saying he couldn't be recruited?)
GH: "loyal" result from ACIN clears him (full investigation?)

Sorry, two more things: you also never answered my question about Seamus' roleblock target.

I feel like Peter Falk.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Thank you. Edit (@ GH)

CDF, what doubts? And why ArpeggiateTHIS instead of Romanic (or me, or YLC, or anyone else who has expressed doubts of their own)? Also, what do you think of TheFlax and why? You said something about bad lynch, but never explained it.

GH has seemed to make a lot of mistakes, and we have not caught a single Japanese or KMT. So yeah, I have some serious doubts about GH's innocence and devotion to the revolution. ArpeggiateTHIS because he is supporting Romanics attempt. Romanic has been trying to get the Officers desposed all game, so its nothing new. (I would expect that they have had him checked out by now)

I think I am willing to trust the flax when he says he is good. We already lynched beefy over a similar mistake, and he turned out to be good as well.

I didn't "jump on" anything. In fact, I had originally voted to lynch TheFlax earlier, before changing my mind. I even edited my post from cautioning Romanic to agreeing with him, so in truth, it is you that jumped on an idea. Your suggestion to lynch me is based on an excuse.

Besides, you have no evidence whatsoever against me. Go catch some real capitalists.

EDIT: Secura, where's my praise?

How the heck am I supposed to know what you edited your post from?

[Renata]

I didn't "jump on" anything. In fact, I had originally voted to lynch TheFlax earlier, before changing my mind. I even edited my post from cautioning Romanic to agreeing with him, so in truth, it is you that jumped on an idea. Your suggestion to lynch me is based on an excuse.

What? Rephrase?

[GeneralHankerchief]

ACIN didn't investigate Pinman, period. Pinman revealed his role to ACIN and ACIN made a gut call on his loyalty, nothing more. The timeframe was too compressed for ACIN to have done anything on Pinman. All I know was that Pinman investigated Secura the night before he was lynched when he was supposed to be protecting CDF, who luckily had four people on him when he was attacked.

Seamus's protections are and always will be classified. If you meant autolycus's roleblocks, restate your question, because I can't find it.

[Renata]

I suppose the other responses are adequate, but this:

I think I am willing to trust the flax when he says he is good. We already lynched beefy over a similar mistake, and he turned out to be good as well.

ORLY? More pls. I can say I'm a loyal Communist until Shanghai runs out of noodles, but that doesn't mean I am one. Only my actions or a reliable investigation can demonstrate that. Why is Flax's word sufficient?

[Secura]

Secura, where's my praise?

*pats your head and gives you a cookie*

Who's a good Arpeg? :P

Please explain the discrepancy between your reaction to Secura, Pinman and yourself as regards the various investigations done.
Secura: suspicious enough to vig despite "loyal" result from Pinman
Pinman: suspicious despite "loyal" result from ACIN (is that what he got? full investigation? or only partial saying he couldn't be recruited?)
GH: "loyal" result from ACIN clears him (full investigation?)

Couldn't have summarised it better myself; it's clearly one rule for the few, another for the many. I'm surprised everyone's still following such a defunct regime; you might criticise Beskar, but he wouldn't make such mistakes we've seen so far. Testing Beefy's claims on a valuable player like Sasaki? Killing players that have positive scan results? He might be many things, but Beskar isn't foolish to that extent.

Romanic has been trying to get the Officers desposed all game, so its nothing new.

I have been stating the very same thing for the majority of the game; I was fine with GH's appointment until my death, but the majority of his officers just haven't been a presence and it's as though the whole thing has turned very insular. I wasn't actually impressed with some of his choices for officers either, now that I think about it, but I'm sure he saw the greater wisdom in their appointments that others did not.

More people should follow Romanic's example.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I suppose the other responses are adequate, but this:



ORLY? More pls. I can say I'm a loyal Communist until Shanghai runs out of noodles, but that doesn't mean I am one. Only my actions or a reliable investigation can demonstrate that. Why is Flax's word sufficient?

Do I need a reason to believe someone? Why shouldn't his word be sufficent? I am willing to believe him, thats all I have to say about it. I am not trying to force you all to agree with me, and I could be wrong, but to be honest as a townie what the heck else do I have to go one but my own gut?

I don't see any result pm's from investigators, I don't see anything. All I know is what is said in the thread by certain people. What else IS there to base my stance on but a persons word?

[Renata]

ACIN didn't investigate Pinman, period.

Ah. That clears that up nicely.

Seamus's protections are and always will be classified. If you meant autolycus's roleblocks, restate your question, because I can't find it.

Autolycus, yes; got the roles confused. I wanted to know who he roleblocked, in light of last night's actionos, or lack thereof.

[Subotan]

Deadline reached, somewhat late, but deadline will commence shortly.

NOTE: If it takes too long, past 21:30 my time, I'm delaying it until tomorrow, as I have an important exam tomorrow. Happily for me, it is my last one. And if I fail to have gotten the grades that I need to achieve to get into university, I'm holding you al responsible :P

[Renata]

I don't see any result pm's from investigators, I don't see anything. All I know is what is said in the thread by certain people. What else IS there to base my stance on but a persons word?

I suppose anything to suggest why you would believe his word, when KMT and Japanese and serial killers (oh my) have every reason to lie their little tushies off. What makes you think him innocent? If it's just gut feeling ... fair enough I guess, but it's not much to go on when you're defending someone I believe to be no loyal Communist.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I suppose anything to suggest why you would believe his word, when KMT and Japanese and serial killers (oh my) have every reason to lie their little tushies off. What makes you think him innocent? If it's just gut feeling ... fair enough I guess, but it's not much to go on when you're defending someone I believe to be no loyal Communist.

I honestly have no good reason to think him innocent. But I still do. Your pressing for something I don't have.

[Renata]

OK. I believe you.

[Romanic]

@ArpThis : You don't need to unvote to support a revolt, as Subo said. They're different votes, so you can vote for a lynch and a revolt at the same time.

I do not appreciate all of this talk of disloyalty. The kill rates have been remarkably slow, and we've had multiple successful protections. We're not perfect, but I think, overall, we've done a pretty solid job of keeping things in check.

@khaan: And I don't appreciate inactivity about officers, so we're even. As far as I'm concerned successful protection mean all. What I want to see from our leaders is good investigations and successful lynches of KMT/Japanese members, not some small successes like you describe.

It would help if I didn't have the impression that some, most of you, are slacking!

Romanic has been trying to get the Officers desposed all game, so its nothing new. (I would expect that they have had him checked out by now)

@CDF: Hah, that's totally false. Go read again. I have not been trying to get a revolt. I've stated my discontentment on some points, but never at a rebelling level.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Attention PEXDET:

Obviously, there's been some dissatisfaction with the way I'm running things. That's fine, any leader who's unwilling to take some criticism is nothing more than a tyrant and deserves to be overthrown. However, some of the allegations against my regime are just plain ridiculous.

First, my track record so far. Some of you have pointed out that we have yet to kill or lynch a single Japanese or KMT. Yes, this happens. This is Mafia. Unless in extreme circumstances, the first half of the game is usually filled with mistakes. This is what I like to call "whittling down the player base". Harsh, but true. While we may be lynching the wrong people, in the meantime, we're getting work done. We are building up investigation databases and records of in-thread behavior. And soon, the walls will close around the enemy. Thanks to the work we have done in the first half of the game, we will hunt down and kill the enemy in the second half. And there's nothing they can do about it.

Second, the officers. Yes, they aren't as active as I would like. However, they are loyal. Sorry, but I'm keeping them.

Third, allow me to point out the exact consequences of a revolution, since some of you clearly haven't thought it through. Number one, four loyal, unconvertable officers become just that - convertable. All of them to some extent have access to classified information that would be absolutely deadly in the hands of the enemy. Number two, the new regime loses several days of work, having to re-investigate everyone and re-establish the network. That's time we can't afford to lose. And number three, there's no guarantee that whoever you elect to take my place is even a loyal Communist.

Thank you for understanding, and please continue to get your orders in tonight. If I took even one night off, that would be a very deadly blow for all of us.

[Romanic]

Number one, four loyal, unconvertable officers become just that - convertable.

Is that true? It's not in the rules. Of course such a thing makes it less interesting to revolt, as we'd be giving 4 easy convertible targets to our enemies.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is that true? It's not in the rules. Of course such a thing makes it less interesting to revolt, as we'd be giving 4 easy convertible targets to our enemies.

It was the case in Pirate Ship. I know in at least one instance, somebody got promoted to an officership since they were found to be susceptable to recruitment and wanted to make him immune to conversion.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Is that true? It's not in the rules. Of course such a thing makes it less interesting to revolt, as we'd be giving 4 easy convertible targets to our enemies.

It is still important to learn from the mistakes we've made in previous games, namely that shady figures can be appointed high-powered roles. Not pointing the finger (I have a severe lack of evidence and there isn't anything too bad about who we've got at the moment), but I think we should stop regarding the elite as a "safe" body.

We should keep them on their toes.