A Bridge Zhou Far - Three Stars Rising [Concluded]

[Cute Wolf]

I was busy skinning, but I allready report my rule to GH via PM.... so that's why I got that late response.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, three things.

1) For Pete's sake, it's now Day... what? 6? 7? Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now? All that a revolt does is risk putting a non-confirmed player in the top spot.

2) With all of the private claims I'm getting, I'm starting to think that I was the only basic role in the game...

3) Flax's roleclaim is apparently minor, so I'm going to post it here, courtesy of autolycus:

TheFlax claims that he has a swapping power, where he switches places with someone else to protect them, and that once he was in a clique, he was allowed to start taking clique actions and doing other stuff.

This doesn't quite match up with what I've heard, namely the "allowed to do two actions" part. Based on this information and what Cute Wolf has sent me, I recommend a lynch of TheFlax today. Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Okay, three things.

1) For Pete's sake, it's now Day... what? 6? 7? Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now? All that a revolt does is risk putting a non-confirmed player in the top spot.

2) With all of the private claims I'm getting, I'm starting to think that I was the only basic role in the game...

3) Flax's roleclaim is apparently minor, so I'm going to post it here, courtesy of autolycus:


This doesn't quite match up with what I've heard, namely the "allowed to do two actions" part. Based on this information and what Cute Wolf has sent me, I recommend a lynch of TheFlax today. Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.

As you wish, there must be more than enough roleclaims here to fulfil a huge mafia game. I, for one, am brown-bread basic.

Vote: TheFlax Capitalist pig.

At the same time, not so long ago did I learn to blindly defer to authority, despite assumptions and claims of innocence. I've got my eye on you, GH.

[Secura]

Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now?

And yet you killed me despite having a innocent scan result? This is hypocritical, WIFOM-laden bovine excrement.

2) With all of the private claims I'm getting, I'm starting to think that I was the only basic role in the game...

Why the soft claim? Totally unnecessary at this stage and only serves to make you look suspicious.

Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.

If you didn't believe Pinman's investigation result, why didn't you have me scanned again by someone you trusted?

[Death is yonder]

"Hey, DIY, you like the KMT, huh?" hushed the voice from outside the tent. "Come onnnn, let me in!"

DiY stirred and replied with a faint "Zzzzzzzzzz"

"Oh screw it", muttered the Kuomintang Officer, who stormed off back to his tent, muttering curses about how close he had been to converting the poor sop to the glories of Nationalism.

Thanks Subo, I loved the write up.

Edit: OK, post result edit I'm now wondering about Psychonaut. He claimed to have been the attempted recruit of the Japanese, but that didn't show up in the write-up. DiY (Kuomintang attempt) DID. Ignore my last paragraph until this settles; I have no idea what's going on.

Has everyone already forgotten this post by Renata? Clearly failed conversion attempts are displayed in the write up, yet Psycho's was not?

Mid Posting Consideration: Hmm seems like after a preview refresh GH advocates a lynch on TheFlax.

I don't know about you folks, but IMO Psychonaut is more scummy because he publicly stated that a failed conversion took place on him yet we saw nothing about that.

Vote: Psychonaut

This is just my 2¢ on the matter, because Psycho seems to have laid low after nobody really paid attention to him.

[Sigurd]

:l
I don't know about you folks, but IMO Psychonaut is more scummy because he publicly stated that a failed conversion took place on him yet we saw nothing about that.

Vote: Psychonaut

This is just my 2¢ on the matter, because Psycho seems to have laid low after nobody really paid attention to him.

A bit too late I am afraid. Apparently the Japs tried to convert him and when he said no, they killed him. Then Niklas the Jap (is there a post mortem on him yet?) got the noose.

[Sigurd]

Okay, three things.

1) For Pete's sake, it's now Day... what? 6? 7? Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now? All that a revolt does is risk putting a non-confirmed player in the top spot.

GH is right you know. There should be a better candidate present before dethroning our chairman.

3) Flax's roleclaim is apparently minor, so I'm going to post it here, courtesy of autolycus:

TheFlax claims that he has a swapping power, where he switches places with someone else to protect them, and that once he was in a clique, he was allowed to start taking clique actions and doing other stuff.

This doesn't quite match up with what I've heard, namely the "allowed to do two actions" part. Based on this information and what Cute Wolf has sent me, I recommend a lynch of TheFlax today. Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.

Woah... That is quite the hasty conclusion.
If I am not mistaken, TheFlax is in a clique, right? the very first one, which means he has successfully worked with at least two others on three consecutive nights.
To me that speaks of commitment to you and our larger group. He basically claims the same role as Beefy, who we lynched. I would say wrongfully so.
I doubt the clique survives one of its members demise. Why destroy such a construct based on weak evidence? Which leads to my next question - why are there not more cliques? At least you should have made sure more were present.
I was put into a group with ArpeggiateTHIS and Jolt. This was not continued. I now see that ArpeggiateTHIS is part of a clique. What about my other previous partner?

Unless there are more members of a clique with roles that can embellish on this issue , we don't really know if that is one of the advantages of being part of a clique. If it is, TheFlax is not the candidate for today.

[Joooray]

Alright then, who am I to question our leader. Vote: TheFlax, that roleclaim sure sounds fishy.

[Death is yonder]

A bit too late I am afraid. Apparently the Japs tried to convert him and when he said no, they killed him. Then Niklas the Jap (is there a post mortem on him yet?) got the noose.

Ahh right, my bad. Read through the new updates then saw Renata's post, seemed fairly plausible.

Unvote: Psychonaut (Invalid Vote)

This raises up another interesting supposition. Why then, are attempted Jap conversions not shown, yet why are KMT conversions AND failed conversions shown.

Agreeing with Sigurd, the clique mechanic hasn't been explored much in depth with only 1 clique that has been around for a while. It may be plausible that TheFlax is indeed telling the truth

[Renata]

Okay, I have to go to work now so I wish this wasn't so brief, but essentially TheFlax visited two separate tents last night. Since there isn't anything in the rules about this, even the clique rules, I'd like to hear a bit more. I trust you guys to make a judgment on this while I'm out.

-edit- Also, normally I wouldn't bother with this, but since that particular clique hasn't protected somebody the same night they were attacked yet... you can't be sure.

Which tents did he visit? And why did you never answer my question about Whampoa Military Academy? That was part of Flax's roleclaim to me on the very first day of the game, and the claim did not match what he told Autolycus. I'd like him to explain that.

vote: TheFlax (see below)

[Renata]

Another for GH -- why evade the question I specifically asked, which was whether *ACIN* had investigated you? Your original post that I mentioned implied he had not, and so did your response. I for one as an investigator, would not have looked at you, since I would have assumed that ACIN would. (I might have looked at ACIN!) Whose idea was it that he skip that?

About Psychonaut -- now that we've seen a failed conversion in the write-up (albeit from the other team), I find his claim to have had a conversion attempted on him to be implausible, and before the information about Flax came out I had intended to go back through his interactions, and the bandwagon on Niklas that was started at his behest, to see if anything jumped out at me. That can wait, now, but I'm very interested in his death reveal.

Sigurd and DiY both, why do you assume that failed Japanese conversions would not be shown, whereas KMT ones are?

[Renata]

Oh, one more thing: who was roleblocked last night?

[Death is yonder]

Sigurd and DiY both, why do you assume that failed Japanese conversions would not be shown, whereas KMT ones are?

What I raised was a hypothetical situation assuming that Psychonaut was telling the truth.

Thus far, we have seen no attempted Japanese conversions, failed or successful so its still a plausible consideration that is not otherwise confirmed or proven otherwise at this juncture.

Another for GH -- why evade the question I specifically asked, which was whether *ACIN* had investigated you

The general public would like to know this.

The GH administration has made some questionable choices in the past, I think that now after Secura was vigged with questionable intent, this is a question that needs to be answered by ACIN, preferably soon if you are to maintain your credibility as our chairman.

Edit: Subo, while understanding that you are very busy now with exams, could you kindly update the summary thread at your earliest convenience? It would be greatly appreciated

[Captain Blackadder]

Ahh right, my bad. Read through the new updates then saw Renata's post, seemed fairly plausible.

Unvote: Psychonaut (Invalid Vote)

This raises up another interesting supposition. Why then, are attempted Jap conversions not shown, yet why are KMT conversions AND failed conversions shown.

Agreeing with Sigurd, the clique mechanic hasn't been explored much in depth with only 1 clique that has been around for a while. It may be plausible that TheFlax is indeed telling the truth

However there is some evidence to point to The Flax firstly I believe that Subotan wanted to break the power of the communist and allowing the Nationalists as well as the Japanese to do two actions in the night would certainly cause that plus flax has given no explanation for why he can be in two places at the

[Sigurd]

Sigurd and DiY both, why do you assume that failed Japanese conversions would not be shown, whereas KMT ones are?

Not assuming much... just taking Psychonaut's word for it.
Besides, we do not know the mechanics behind conversions. Was it Romanic who suggested that the mafia contacted the player before the actual conversion? Plausible...

[TheFlax]

Which tents did he visit? And why did you never answer my question about Whampoa Military Academy? That was part of Flax's roleclaim to me on the very first day of the game, and the claim did not match what he told Autolycus. I'd like him to explain that.

vote: TheFlax

I visited Double A's tent and your tent. Nothing bad happened to you, right? Anyways, I didn't give you the whole truth about my role PM because I was testing reactions.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am not seeing why we should lynch TheFlax.

[Renata]

I visited Double A's tent and your tent. Nothing bad happened to you, right? Anyways, I didn't give you the whole truth about my role PM because I was testing reactions.

Why aren't you online to discuss it?

[landlubber]

vote:TheFlax.
Who am I to question the Chairman?

[Death is yonder]

(Owing to inconvenient timezones where phases end at 3am +/-, I regret not being able stay around till I am satisfied that TheFlax is the best lynch candidate. However, seeing as the Chairman has pledged his credibility on the line that Cutewolf will be scanned/whatever, that leaves TheFlax. Should his story be true however, and was a product of being in a clique, then so be it )

Vote: TheFlax

[TheFlax]

Why aren't you online to discuss it?

I had a feeling this would come out. I'm not hiding or anything, I've been depressed lately and while I'm figuring out stuff in my life, I don't feel like talking to anyone. Actually, I'll be away for the afternoon anyways. This isn't a plea for sympathy or anything, lynching me won't "hurt" me or make me angry. So Lynch away!

[Askthepizzaguy]

TheFlax needs to die on principle. No townie should even be that scummy.

unvote, vote: TheFlax

[Renata]

I'm sorry about your RL issues, Flax. :(

[Askthepizzaguy]

In case it makes you cheer up, I loves you Flaxy. More than a pizza should love a flax.

It's nothing personal, it's for the revolution.

[Double A]

I visited Double A's tent and your tent. Nothing bad happened to you, right? Anyways, I didn't give you the whole truth about my role PM because I was testing reactions.

Wait, what?

[Renata]

unvote all
vote: TheFlax

[Romanic]

@everyone: #1A) Can someone confirm if it's possible to protect someone at night, while using another skill? GH at least, should have heard about it, but also the officers.

#1B) Can an officer protect someone and use his officer skill at the same time?

@GH: #2) Was one of the tents visited by TheFlax last night, the tent of the player you asked us to protect?

I am still waiting for answer on these questions, and I understand that the first two could be hard to answer but

Can someone tell us who TheFlax visited last night? Or at least if he visited Double A's tent?

Seriously, I asked this 14 hours ago...

Revolt: yes
propose: revolt
Revolt

Or whatever the correct syntax is.

Very unhappy about not being answered. Very unhappy about the apparent level of commitment from some officers. If they are active behind the scenes, I don't know about it.

ACIN - missed 3 of the last 4 votes, but voting TheFlax this turn.
autolycus - missed the last 2 votes
Seamus - missed 3 of the last 4 votes
Yaseikhaan - missed 2 of the last 3 votes

Also very unhappy about what I heard from the officers this round.

ACIN - "Relax, it's fine, and btw, I'm not telling everything to my chairman, but it's okay."
autolycus - ???
Seamus - ???
Yaseikhaan - ???
GH - Please answer my questions directed to you!

Thus, i still have no idea if TheFlax is a good lynch, but I know that I am about to lose my Clique.

Revoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevolt...
Revolt!!!!

[Joooray]

I am still waiting for answer on these questions, and I understand that the first two could be hard to answer but

Can someone tell us who TheFlax visited last night? Or at least if he visited Double A's tent?

He stated that he visited Renata's and Double A's tent last night. Not sure what that implies, but I it doesn't seem to speak against him being scummy.

(BTW: Also sorry about your real life issues, Flax, I've been there and still am. Without knowing your precise situation, let me still tell you, that not talking to anybody is often not the best thing to do.)

[Romanic]

He stated that he visited Renata's and Double A's tent last night. Not sure what that implies, but I it doesn't seem to speak against him being scummy.

Yes, TheFlax said it, but he's the accused. I want to hear this from someone else.

[Renata]

I kinda love you for that post, Romanic, even if it is pointless. Maybe because it is pointless. I had no idea the officers' voting records were *that* bad.