Pick your power [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's ridiculous reasoning and you know it.

Then I must be a jester!

If you go over the first round again, you'll notice that my vote on Arpeggiate was because of the difficulty of his username. You also know very well that nowadays I have less time to dedicate to the .Org, so I didn't come back that round. In retrospect, Arpeggiates' posts later in that round were scummy and if I would have come back, I would have sticked to my vote on him; in fact I would have pressed for his lynch, in the proces convincing the town to lynch the detective instead of a scumbag, proving that my instincts at finding people with an important role aren't rusty yet.

So, your vote on him was both a meatball vote because of his bad name, and also a later-on-in-the-round you'd have considered him guilty ESP trick, thus proving you innocent. What would Andres say?

That's ridiculous reasoning and you know it.

Your case against me is rubbish.

All cases are rubbish in mafia games, unless they involve some kind of detective result or process of elimination. So in lieu of that, I pick you for picking all the wrong people for your vote and also being voted for by townie power roles who got murdered.

My case against Khaan on round 1 was rubbish too, so it doesn't mean anything whether my case is "rubbish" or not. What matters is, are you guilty or not. I wish to find out.

As I said previously: a) it's not unusual for a mafioso to vote his scumbuddy; certainly not in the first couple of rounds; b) in a game where roles are revealed upon death, it's not a bad idea to vote your partner at all.

Sure, and the tracker and watcher and cop wouldn't immediately catch me that night, going from 3 to 1 mafiosi remaining. That's epic strategery right ther.

I thank you for thinking Khaan and I are that suicidal, but I am afraid you're off the mark again, in more ways than one. Another excellent vote.

BTW if I am so guilty, you should be voting for me.

[Andres]

I don't think you're guilty Pizza. You are wrong about me, that doesn't make you guilty.

My vote on Arpeg was not a meatball vote, it was a random round 1 nonsense vote. Also, your reading skills are lacking. What I said is that I did not come back that round because of RL, but if I would have came back, I would have sticked to my vote, because Arpeg's posts read as scummy. I would have been mistaken as revealed by the GM.

So, you wish to find out if I'm guilty or not by lynching me? At least you could try to build a decent case. My reasoning for voting Romanic is much more solid. He's assumption that all people who voted 'khaan are innocent doesn't make sense. Also, why is CDF your second suspect? Or is it too much to ask to post your case against him and will finding out by lynching him satify you?

I for one am not going to sit idle by while you lead the town to its' doom with that sort of strategy. I urge all people who bother to play to vote Romanic.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think you're guilty Pizza. You are wrong about me, that doesn't make you guilty.

You seemed to find me guilty enough to vote for last round. Why the sudden change of heart?

My vote on Arpeg was not a meatball vote, it was a random round 1 nonsense vote. Also, your reading skills are lacking. What I said is that I did not come back that round because of RL, but if I would have came back, I would have sticked to my vote, because Arpeg's posts read as scummy. I would have been mistaken as revealed by the GM.

Meatball vote = random round 1 nonsense vote, as far as I know.

How does your reassuring me that you absolutely would have found Arpeg scummy if you had been online either (a) matter or (b) make you more or less guilty? If neither, then why are we discussing it? Nevermind don't answer that, let's move on.

So, you wish to find out if I'm guilty or not by lynching me? At least you could try to build a decent case.

Your bad votes and the doom of those who voted for you isn't a decent case after only two rounds of play?

Okay, you're entitled to your view. I simply disagree. That's as substantive as you can GET without detective results. Also you're suddenly very serious.... why so srs? You normally react to accusation with little more than a laugh and a nod.

My reasoning for voting Romanic is much more solid. He's assumption that all people who voted 'khaan are innocent doesn't make sense. Also, why is CDF your second suspect? Or is it too much to ask to post your case against him and will finding out by lynching him satify you?

Reason for voting Romanic = he thinks the odds of person who helped destroy Khaan being innocent are better than 50%.

While that is a guess, and perhaps not a sound one, it doesn't make him guilty either. How is your case "more solid"? Subjective statements phrased absolutely aren't persuading me.

As for CDF, I will decline to post a case on him for now, I'm rather enjoying our pleasant exchange.

I for one am not going to sit idle by while you lead the town to its' doom with that sort of strategy. I urge all people who bother to play to vote Romanic.

If we followed your votes, you would have lead us to an even swifter doom. "I'm not going to sit idle while you lead the town to its doom" either...

I urge all people who bother to play to vote Andres.

[Beskar]

I still think Johnhughtom and Pinman especially are being overlooked, since they tried to last minute save Khaan.

vote: Pinman

[Beskar]

Scrap that vote, John is a better choice.

Unvote; Vote: Johnhughthom

John claimed to me being a Universal Back-Up. When he said this, I confronted about him being a back-up of Khaan, however, he told me he only back-up'd abilities, not roles and that he was an investigator.

I was just rechecking the powers list when I noticed what it said.

Universal Backup
You will be given a copy of the first power role eliminated (lynch or night action) in this game. If multiple are killed simultaneously random.org will be used to decide your role.

Therefore, John is a back-up of 'Khaan, therefore, he is a mafia.

There is alternative scenario too. Johnhughthom was a mafia anyway, when 'khaan got killed and he was a mafia, there wasn't any changes. Therefore, when ArgTHIS died, he became a mafia with investigation.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, that tantalizing bit of fruit is on my radar. But I'd rather squeeze more results out of him so that if he is indeed a real, townie cop, then we have something for the trouble of his death.

A bit premature methinks, by at least one round, Beskar.

If he is mafia, great, but we would have lynched him anyway in a round or two. If not, I want those results.

[johnhughthom]

Yeah, great. Thanks Beskie.

[Andres]

Scrap that vote, John is a better choice.

Unvote; Vote: Johnhughthom

John claimed to me being a Universal Back-Up. When he said this, I confronted about him being a back-up of Khaan, however, he told me he only back-up'd abilities, not roles and that he was an investigator.

I was just rechecking the powers list when I noticed what it said.


Therefore, John is a back-up of 'Khaan, therefore, he is a mafia.

There is alternative scenario too. Johnhughthom was a mafia anyway, when 'khaan got killed and he was a mafia, there wasn't any changes. Therefore, when ArgTHIS died, he became a mafia with investigation.

There's also another point to consider: the rules don't say that mafia can't get certain roles. This means that the role of back-up can go to a mafioso. So, even if john is saying the truth, the fact that he got the detective role from Arpeg doesn't clear him at all. The back-up role is useful for mafia, so it's perfectly possible that the role went to a mafioso.

I also wonder why he would reveal his role in private?

[Andres]

You seemed to find me guilty enough to vote for last round. Why the sudden change of heart?

Because Romanic is a better candidate.

Meatball vote = random round 1 nonsense vote, as far as I know.

Ok.

How does your reassuring me that you absolutely would have found Arpeg scummy if you had been online either (a) matter or (b) make you more or less guilty? If neither, then why are we discussing it? Nevermind don't answer that, let's move on.

It doesn't. You questioned me about my behaviour, I explained.

Your bad votes and the doom of those who voted for you isn't a decent case after only two rounds of play?

So, I voted for innocents. This is mafia, it happens. Look back at all the games I played and you'll notice that most of the time, I voted for innocents. You can vote about everybody for that reason. So, your "case" against me is rubbish.

Okay, you're entitled to your view. I simply disagree. That's as substantive as you can GET without detective results. Also you're suddenly very serious.... why so srs? You normally react to accusation with little more than a laugh and a nod.

Wrong. I laugh and nod when mafia. As town, I'm more serious. Also, I strongly disagree with the popular opinion that defending yourself vigorously against being lynched is a scumtell. It isn't. Getting lynched is bad for your team, regardless of your alignment. Defending yourself against a lynch is what is expected from every player.

Reason for voting Romanic = he thinks the odds of person who helped destroy Khaan being innocent are better than 50%.

That's not how he phrased it. And it doesn't make sense either.

While that is a guess, and perhaps not a sound one, it doesn't make him guilty either. How is your case "more solid"? Subjective statements phrased absolutely aren't persuading me.

Because 1) I'm innocent, so you are wrong; 2) I think it is a better case

As for CDF, I will decline to post a case on him for now, I'm rather enjoying our pleasant exchange.

Likewise

If we followed your votes, you would have lead us to an even swifter doom. "I'm not going to sit idle while you lead the town to its doom" either...

Fair enough. Also, since it's clear that we don't know what we are doing, it is important for other players to speak up.

Evidence of Pizza not knowing what he's doing:

I urge all people who bother to play to vote Andres.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cultured Drizzt Fan
Romanic
Caesar
Yaropolk
Johnhughthom
YLC

Of these people, I am confident at least one is guilty. None are voting, so obviously the scum hasn't voted yet. They don't need to, either. With the current vote tally, there's no chance of being able to force a lynch of a guilty party. Someone has to change their vote or someone needs to vote.

I'm open to suggestions if people don't like the current candidates.

[Andres]

Cultured Drizzt Fan
Romanic
Caesar
Yaropolk
Johnhughthom
YLC

Of these people, I am confident at least one is guilty. And the scum hasn't voted yet. They don't need to, either. With the current vote tally, there's no chance of being able to force a lynch of a guilty party. Someone has to change their vote or someone needs to vote.

I'm open to suggestions if people don't like the current candidates.

Romanic is on your list of suspects...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Romanic is on your list of suspects...

He's on my list of people who have been silly enough not to vote.

I'm not voting for him.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Cultured Drizzt Fan
Romanic
Caesar
Yaropolk
Johnhughthom
YLC

Of these people, I am confident at least one is guilty. None are voting, so obviously the scum hasn't voted yet. They don't need to, either. With the current vote tally, there's no chance of being able to force a lynch of a guilty party. Someone has to change their vote or someone needs to vote.

I'm open to suggestions if people don't like the current candidates.

Sorry. Tired and having too much fun listening to you talking about how guilty I am

Vote: Andres

[Andres]

Sorry. Tired and having too much fun listening to you talking about how guilty I am

Vote: Andres

That's just being lazy

You could at least read the thread instead of blindly following ATPG without putting some effort in.

[johnhughthom]

Wrong. I laugh and nod when mafia. As town, I'm more serious.

Yeah. Vote: Andres

[Andres]

Yeah. Vote: Andres