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Originally Posted by vartan:
I hope to see Babylonian Heavy Spearmen used online (they're mercs for any nation).
Aye. I think something is up with the unit's morale too. It has the characteristics of "disciplined " and "highly trained" but its morale is only 11?I hope to see Babylonian Heavy Spearmen used online (they're mercs for any nation).
Usually units with the disciplined description has a morale of around 15 or so.
Jewish spearmen has a discpline of "normal" and "trained' and it has a higher morale of 12. Scythian axemen and other units with descriptions of "normal discipline" have morales of 11.
Now, I read that discipline trait mostly deals with the closeless of the unit formation, but I still think the Shipri Tukul/Babylonian Heavy Spearmen, my favorite mercenary infantry, is getting shafted in terms of morale as well...
The point system by EB is a disaster.I have replaced it personally with a wargaming count system from here:
http://home.versatel.nl/richardevers2000/index.htm
and here:
http://www.ancientbattles.com/index_...ntBattles.html
If you like the realism in the game i advice to move from the screen to the table.
http://home.versatel.nl/richardevers2000/index.htm
and here:
http://www.ancientbattles.com/index_...ntBattles.html
If you like the realism in the game i advice to move from the screen to the table.
Originally Posted by dejan07:
The point system by EB is a disaster.I have replaced it personally with a wargaming count system from here:
Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.The point system by EB is a disaster.I have replaced it personally with a wargaming count system from here:
Babylonians.. meh, Misthophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai all the way.
Originally Posted by dejan07:
The point system by EB is a disaster.I have replaced it personally with a wargaming count system from here:
http://home.versatel.nl/richardevers2000/index.htm
and here:
http://www.ancientbattles.com/index_...ntBattles.html
If you like the realism in the game i advice to move from the screen to the table.
The point system by EB is a disaster.I have replaced it personally with a wargaming count system from here:
http://home.versatel.nl/richardevers2000/index.htm
and here:
http://www.ancientbattles.com/index_...ntBattles.html
If you like the realism in the game i advice to move from the screen to the table.
Originally Posted by athanaric:
Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.
I'mma tweak the armor values a little by my own method - namely, the more 'epic' the armor looks and the more it covers, the more points I'll give it. And the more epic or the bigger the shield looks (and the material metal vs wood, etc) the more points it gets... Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.
IMO, the most epic looking armor for elite units: Sacred Band Phalanx, Distinguished KH Hoplites, Spartans, Camillian Triari, and those crazy triple-layered mail/scale shock troops from Seleucid and Iberia
honorable mentions go to other elite units such as the Iberian Assault infantry, Praetorian or Veterans cohort, Elite African Pikemen, Any cataphract cavalry, Sacred Band Cavalry
*btw, I heard the crazy triple mail-armored unit for Lusotanian (sp?) was disabled due to their rarity (still around for Seleucid I hope). Would it be still inaccurate for my campaign, say, to make them cost more to recruit than elephants in order to still have them around in the single player campaign?
ie. Cost 8000-12,0000 to recruit, 2000-3000 to maintain
Originally Posted by athanaric:
Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.
Doesn't mean it couldn't use a revamping! Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.
I just tell myself that if something costs ridiculously more than something, say, in the West, then perhaps it wasn't used as much and/or simply put, really costed more!! Pontian and armenian heavy infantry compared to legionnaries come to mind.^^ or siege engines.
Shipri Tukul are also one of my favorites, although i often hae the feeling that they are too expensive for their preformance. still they are an essencial part of my parthian royal army(infantry devision) useing them as line infantry is my way of getting rid of my surplus money as I don't like to use elephants (not to mention getting them from india to syria) and find that a navy of "boats" is just not ipressive enough for it's price :D still i think they really could use 1-2 extra armor points for their clothing or so.
Shipri Tukul are also one of my favorites, although i often hae the feeling that they are too expensive for their preformance. still they are an essencial part of my parthian royal army(infantry devision) useing them as line infantry is my way of getting rid of my surplus money as I don't like to use elephants (not to mention getting them from india to syria) and find that a navy of "boats" is just not ipressive enough for it's price :D still i think they really could use 1-2 extra armor points for their clothing or so.
Originally Posted by Ca Putt:
Pontian and armenian heavy infantry
No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.Pontian and armenian heavy infantry
Originally Posted by vartan:
No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
Hayasdan have their palace guards.No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
Originally Posted by vartan:
No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
Originally Posted by Ca Putt:
sorry i meant medium/"Elite" infantry ;)
Heavy=/=elite.sorry i meant medium/"Elite" infantry ;)
The Hai armoured swordsmen may well count as heavy infantry. The problem though is their lethality (0.1), which is sub par. Other units of their "class" have 0.13 lethality.
BTW I think Shipri Tukul are just fine as they are.
Originally Posted by vartan:
No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
Pontikoi Thorakitai No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
Originally Posted by Intranetusa:
Aye. I think something is up with the unit's morale too. It has the characteristics of "disciplined " and "highly trained" but its morale is only 11?
Usually units with the disciplined description has a morale of around 15 or so.
Jewish spearmen has a discpline of "normal" and "trained' and it has a higher morale of 12. Scythian axemen and other units with descriptions of "normal discipline" have morales of 11.
Now, I read that discipline trait mostly deals with the closeless of the unit formation, but I still think the Shipri Tukul/Babylonian Heavy Spearmen, my favorite mercenary infantry, is getting shafted in terms of morale as well...
Correction:Aye. I think something is up with the unit's morale too. It has the characteristics of "disciplined " and "highly trained" but its morale is only 11?
Usually units with the disciplined description has a morale of around 15 or so.
Jewish spearmen has a discpline of "normal" and "trained' and it has a higher morale of 12. Scythian axemen and other units with descriptions of "normal discipline" have morales of 11.
Now, I read that discipline trait mostly deals with the closeless of the unit formation, but I still think the Shipri Tukul/Babylonian Heavy Spearmen, my favorite mercenary infantry, is getting shafted in terms of morale as well...
-- the higher the discipline, the slower the unit loses its morale points (once it gets to a certain level, the unit breaks down)
-- the higher the training, the harder it is for the unit to lose its formation
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