Hoplite units - phalangite or classical?

[Intranetusa]

Question #2

If the phalangites have a value of 5, and the shield value doubles to 10 - that would make them more than twice as resistant to arrows than even the classical hoplites with their giant bronze shields. I think the classical hoplites with the large bronze shields should have the best shield values of all the units...

As one of the posts have indicated, sarissa pikes provides little protection against arrows, and the missile resistance of phalangites may have been be exaggerated...

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I'm assuming all of these hoplite units are classical hoplites and didn't fight in the phalangite style, thus no "phalanx" attribute? I'm kinda itching to give them either a sarissa phalanx attribute or as a classical hoplite with the short pike attribute (and remove their 2ndary weapon) since they seem to fight as regular spearmen most of the time...

Komatai Thorakitai Stratiotai (Dacian Heavy Phalanx)

http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...y&category=any

Mori Gaesum (Helvetii Phalanx)

http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...y&category=any

Thorakitai Hoplitai (Greek Heavy Hoplite Phalanx)

http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...y&category=any

Iphikratous Hoplitai (Greek Hoplite Phalanx)

http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...y&category=any

Appea Gaedotos (Alpine Phalanx)

http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...y&category=any


Some of these units have useless 2ndary weapons - ie. lethality of their sword is less than their spear, and the attack value of the sword is much lower too...


And I'm assuming Thorakitai Hoplitai/heavy hoplite with a sword lethality of .11 should be .13 in the unit cards? Iphikratous Hoplitai/light phalanx has a sword lethality of .13

[athanaric]

Some of these units have useless 2ndary weapons - ie. lethality of their sword is less than their spear, and the attack value of the sword is much lower too...

That's only the case for Thorakitai Hopltai. All others have swords with spear lethality (0.13), except for Mori Gaesum with their Celtic long sword (0.225). None of these are useless. After all, they have to fight on walls sometimes.
Especially the Mori Gaesum and Thorakitai Hoplitai would be seriously nerfed by removing their secondary weapon.

And I'm assuming Thorakitai Hoplitai/heavy hoplite with a sword lethality of .11 should be .13 in the unit cards? Iphikratous Hoplitai/light phalanx has a sword lethality of .13

No.
Iphikratous Hoplitai have a Xiphos of sorts (generic lethality 0.13), while Thorakitai Hoplitai have a Kopis (generic lethality 0.11), which, unlike the spear or the Xiphos, is armour piercing. Not a bad property at all, if you ask me.

[Intranetusa]

Ahh, I see. The Heavy unit gets AP bonus. Thanks. I was fearing a repeat of the Sacred Band situation...

I guess they're not phalangites either so I shouldn't give them the phalanx trait =/

[bobbin]

The stats were done by a "what you see is what you get" principle, each weapon type has a set lethality that is constant across all units that weild them. In the case of the Thorakitai Hoplitai they are armed with a Kopis and so have 0.11 lethality and AP.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Also Appea Gaedatos have an axe as their secondary which makes them IMO an extremely versatile unit.

[Ca Putt]

some of them can even double as decent flankers/shock troopers with their secondaries if need be, all of them need a bit more finesse when used as line infantry than the rather easy to control hoplitai, but not much imo.