When was the Parthian late bodygourd first use, historically?

[LDC]

and who was the first Parthian king to use it?

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

It was really a gradual transformation from the old BGs, a Parthian king didn't just say one day, "I'm gonna turn my bodyguards into these" and from then on that was what was used.

[LDC]

still if you could just give me a general period of when the Parthian BG look like their late BG unit in eb..

[MButcher]

A good date would be when Mithridates I took the throne and conquered much of the East, which would be 171-138 B.C.E.

[LDC]

thank you, that really helped me.

[MeinPanzer]

Historically, cataphracts armoured like the Late Bodyguards and the Late Armored Elite Cataphracts were not in use until the first centuries AD. Down to the first century BC, all Parthian cataphracts were armed like the Parthian Noble Cataphracts.

[athanaric]

Historically, cataphracts armoured like the Late Bodyguards and the Late Armored Elite Cataphracts were not in use until the first centuries AD. Down to the first century BC, all Parthian cataphracts were armed like the Parthian Noble Cataphracts.

Well, that's consolation for me. I'm in 213 now and still no reforms... And in my Pontos campaign they won't happen at all, thanks to Autoresolvus Maximus and the invincible African Pikemen

[anubis88]

Historically, cataphracts armoured like the Late Bodyguards and the Late Armored Elite Cataphracts were not in use until the first centuries AD. Down to the first century BC, all Parthian cataphracts were armed like the Parthian Noble Cataphracts.

Hm.. I dunno about that. In the EB's battle of Carrhae, the Bodyguard of the Parthians is the Late one...

[LDC]

Historically, cataphracts armoured like the Late Bodyguards and the Late Armored Elite Cataphracts were not in use until the first centuries AD. Down to the first century BC, all Parthian cataphracts were armed like the Parthian Noble Cataphracts.

Oh really? I'm sure I remember one of EB team members say they were use in the first century BCE.

[abou]

Our Parthian expert has been caught up in real life and so he can't answer this question. And unfortunately, I'm not a Parthian expert myself. However, with what knowledge I have I can tell you that the late bodyguard is probably 1st century AD. It's inclusion in the Battle of Carrhae could be debated quite strongly and the one defense is that we don't truly know exactly when such incredibly heavy cavalry showed up.

What that means for EB2, I don't know. We haven't gotten that far yet. Although any arguments you could make for or against the Imperial Roman units would be the same.

[seienchin]

You mean it wont be in EBII????

[ziegenpeter]

I am quite Astonished, that it made its way into eb1 in the firtst place. I meanthe March of time triggers somewhat 200-ish and they didnt actually show up until 1st century AD? Thats unusual for the eb team...

[anubis88]

I am quite Astonished, that it made its way into eb1 in the firtst place. I meanthe March of time triggers somewhat 200-ish and they didnt actually show up until 1st century AD? Thats unusual for the eb team...

They were just to cool to be left our... Remember with EB it's coolness first :D

[Cute Wolf]

They were just to cool to be left our... Remember with EB it's coolness first :D

at least they will be definitely in the late campaign mod

[anubis88]

at least they will be definitely in the late campaign mod

I just love the fact how many uber-cata's we will be able to have in our mod

[Fluvius Camillus]

at least they will be definitely in the late campaign mod

Mmm... Late Royal Elite Ultra Heavy Cataphracts of the Persian Allies... Sounds powerful doesn't it?

~Fluvius

[seienchin]

They were just to cool to be left our... Remember with EB it's coolness first :D

Well, the irish and spanish storm troopers, ridicoulosly strong lancer cavallery and naked guys, which skin is as hard as armour definitly proof your point.^^

[Megas Methuselah]

Hm.. I dunno about that. In the EB's battle of Carrhae, the Bodyguard of the Parthians is the Late one...

Oh really? I'm sure I remember one of EB team members say they were use in the first century BCE.

Heh. I guess these young kids don't know who MeinPanzer is.

[Julianus]

at least they will be definitely in the late campaign mod

That's new to me. Is it an unofficial submod?

[MeinPanzer]

Our Parthian expert has been caught up in real life and so he can't answer this question. And unfortunately, I'm not a Parthian expert myself. However, with what knowledge I have I can tell you that the late bodyguard is probably 1st century AD. It's inclusion in the Battle of Carrhae could be debated quite strongly and the one defense is that we don't truly know exactly when such incredibly heavy cavalry showed up.

I would agree with the 1st c. AD being a realistic date for such cavalry. The terracotta figurine from Seleucia on the Tigris, the frescoes from Old Nisa, and the Babylonian plaque now in the British Museum (if it is from the 2nd or 1st c. BC, and not just a late example of such armour) all show the same kind of panoply in use in the last centuries two BC: simple, pointed or bowl-like non-Spangenhelm helmet; scale cuirass; and laminated armour for the limbs. In other words, the armour of the Parthian Cataphracts and Parthian Noble Cataphracts.

[anubis88]

That's new to me. Is it an unofficial submod?

Yep; check out the submod forum