Difference between cosensual sex and rape... in the eyes of too conservative law

[rory_20_uk]

Idaho, whilst I completely agree with you that the outdated, archaic, frankly nonsensical collection of customs and practices we for some reason respectfully call "religion" is in this case, as in oh so many the root cause it ain't going to shift any time soon.

[aimlesswanderer]

This is what happens when modernity runs headlong into centuries old societal values.

Maybe when your kids are at uni things will be very different, given the fast rate of change.

[ajaxfetish]

This is what happens when modernity runs headlong into centuries old societal values.

Maybe when your kids are at uni things will be very different, given the fast rate of change.

Not necessarily a good thing. It could mean their kids will have to wear burkhas when they go to college.

Ajax

[Sigurd]

So, no one suggested a Polygraph test?

[rory_20_uk]

Inaccurate at the best of times. If you know what you're doing you can mess with the results further.

[pevergreen]

Inaccurate at the best of times. If you know what you're doing you can mess with the results further.

Even so, I'd love to be put under one. I believe I could bull my way through.

[aimlesswanderer]

Not necessarily a good thing. It could mean their kids will have to wear burkhas when they go to college.

Ajax

Possibly, though Indonesia has changed alot in just their lifetimes, and if that trend continues their kids may be able to wear bikinis at uni (ok, maybe their grand kids, but fairly soon anyway).

[rory_20_uk]

Even so, I'd love to be put under one. I believe I could bull my way through.

The usual way to make the results inconclusive is to "react" to the control question and others that you shouldn't react to. Methods I've heard suggested are to have a hard stone in one's shoe to press on / bite one's cheek or to clench one's rectum. All will alter sweating / breathing and pulse rates.

Of course, this is wildly different from not reacting at all to any of the questions. I believe one can train to be able to do this - but it's much harder.

[Rahwana]

actually we're half between it, some fanatics did gain momentum since afghanistan militants spread their faith here, but as long as you can see clearly here, half the students at uni wear jilbab, but half wear bikini like tanktop under thin cover of semi transparent blouse... (really), half of them loathe even smell of alcohol, but half drunk beer and eat pork regularly.

*. I talk about everyone who has "Islam" in their ID card (including me), but actually little more than aheist

[Sigurd]

Inaccurate at the best of times. If you know what you're doing you can mess with the results further.

It is not the results that matters.
What matters is how they react to being told to being put to the test and being explained the dire consequences when found out they are lying. My guess is a confession from either part before the actual test finds place.

[Myrddraal]

You have to put your religion on your ID card?

[Subotan]

Yep, Indonesians have to. And IIRC they can't put N/A or athiest or whatever.

[Rahwana]

Yep, Indonesians have to. And IIRC they can't put N/A or athiest or whatever.

and the statistics then lied with calling Indonesia "the biggest muslim country", actually there is more atheists than muslims

[Skullheadhq]

Oh, for a moment I thought CW was mentioning you, Sonic.
If my friend was accused of rape I would deny all allegations and constantly, constantly ask for the proof that he actually raped her, like bruises of some sort, without evidence he won't be convicted for anything.
You should also keep an eye on the girl, maybe she (or her parents) will inflict injuries upon her, and when that happens and they use that as 'proof', it's game over. You should also seriously try to find the others she slept with, that way the joke about 'our sweet little, pious girl who would never have premarital sex' would be over and your buddies' story will sound much more realistic than hers'. If you know her email, try to fill in the security question with some social engeneering and look for clues of sexual partners, that's where I would start.
You should maybe even ask her friends to testify, or just call them to the stand. They should probably know if she had previous sexual partners. Hope this helps!

[Cute Wolf]

and the statistics then lied with calling Indonesia "the biggest muslim country", actually there is more atheists than muslims

not really true, despite that, where is another country with more than 70 million muslims? yeah, all we know that it was common knowledge that muslim percentage here are marked up, but they still the largest one in the world, unless India had more muslims or every arab nations populations got doubled suddenly.

Oh, for a moment I thought CW was mentioning you, Sonic.
If my friend was accused of rape I would deny all allegations and constantly, constantly ask for the proof that he actually raped her, like bruises of some sort, without evidence he won't be convicted for anything.
You should also keep an eye on the girl, maybe she (or her parents) will inflict injuries upon her, and when that happens and they use that as 'proof', it's game over. You should also seriously try to find the others she slept with, that way the joke about 'our sweet little, pious girl who would never have premarital sex' would be over and your buddies' story will sound much more realistic than hers'. If you know her email, try to fill in the security question with some social engeneering and look for clues of sexual partners, that's where I would start.
You should maybe even ask her friends to testify, or just call them to the stand. They should probably know if she had previous sexual partners. Hope this helps!

well yeah, that case is allready gone into straight conclusion now, our friend will be sooner or later declared innocent , but the trial is delayed again to hear the objection of the "victim", because the prosecutor allready demand our friend to be freed and declared innocent...

gosh, I start to pity that girl, she was utterly completely doomed....
BTW, Sonic also had past affairs with her... and she was now a launghingstock between most of us, everyone who had slept with her made a long commentary about her... But at last, that wasn't her fault at all, that was her parent's fault... yeah, but it was now backfire on them... dammit, those over-zealous religious parents...

[Skullheadhq]

That's good to hear, what will happen to the girl, will she be sued for slander or something?

[Cute Wolf]

no sue back then... that case could drawn some unwanted attention, and thankfully, the trial and examination was closed one, we just hope to not causing that to be spread out wildly, or our friend could be fired from univ. If that don't spread out badly, they can close their eyes. But if that gain unwanted public attention, BOTH party are doomed to be fired from univ, but the girl will suffer more.