The Trouble in Waiting [Concluded]

**Renata** · 07-21-2010, 20:13

Originally Posted by civplayah

What did I say? Askthepizzaguy was innocent. Two kills, five people left. That means this is our last chance to lynch mafia.

So I will gladly vote: woad&fangs.

If woad is Mafia, why are you still alive? Everyone else, plus the two dead people, voted for Pizza.

**civplayah** · 07-21-2010, 21:05

Originally Posted by Renata

If woad is Mafia, why are you still alive? Everyone else, plus the two dead people, voted for Pizza.

What does that have to do with anything?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 07-21-2010, 21:18

As there are two mafia remaining, a gentle reminder about the tactics of the situation:

with 2 mafia, any division among the town ranks is suicide. Therefore, once the decision is made, ALL PLAYERS must vote for the same person, to make room for a margin of error.

Example: 3 votes on one person, 2 on the other, but the mafia are divided. At the last minute they have the power to switch it to 4-1 in their favor. Or, 2-3 in their favor.

Everyone, everyone must vote for the same suspect.

Anyone who does not, is mafia.

Decide who is guilty. I already gave my opinion yesterday, and I'm done.

**Beskar** · 07-21-2010, 21:33

Civplayah needs more attention.

**Renata** · 07-21-2010, 21:44

Originally Posted by civplayah

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm in a horrible mood today, so forgive the tone if that comes through. The facts stand regardless. Let me go through it step by step.

As a huge part of his argument against woad yesterday, Pizza used the "fact" that the game would be over if woad got him "mislynched". This was supposed to be why woad jumped on him in the first place. Given the number of players alive at the time, this only makes sense if the mafia get two kills per night regardless of how many members they have. Pizza was in fact lynched, yet the game continued. When I called him on this, he said something along the lines of oh, well, there must be only one night kill if one mafia dies. (And I bet you'll try to frame me by only having one kill, hur-de-hur.) This is the opposite of what his earlier argument demanded. And in fact there were two kills last night. Pizza is probably mafia.

I'm still alive and woad is still alive. If woad were mafia, he almost certainly would have killed me last night to prove Pizza wrong about the "renata and woad" thing. We'll see what happens when he turns up today, but for now I'm operating on the assumption that woad is not mafia. Anyone but woad leaves us both alive.

That leaves you, Blackadder, and DiY. Blackadder didn't even bother to show up yesterday; he's not mafia. DiY voted for Pizzaguy. So did GodEmperor and landlubber. You didn't -- you voted for woad and were bound to do it again. You shouldn't be alive. You're the fly in the ointment, the one player whose survival makes no sense if woad is mafia. Your survival only makes sense if someone is trying to get votes on woad, or if you yourself are mafia (or both).

DiY's not mafia with Pizzaguy. Blackadder's not mafia either. I'm not, and I doubt woad is -- that leaves you.

vote: civplayah

**Captain Blackadder** · 07-22-2010, 02:21

Sorry everyone I had forgotton I was actually in this game untill a pm from a certain someone reminded me. Very sorry for the lack of participation.

Looking over the thread it appears to me that vote: woad&fangs. appears to be scum.

**woad&fangs** · 07-22-2010, 02:24

vote: civplayah

My opinions on him are already known from the last day phase.

**woad&fangs** · 07-22-2010, 06:00

Looks like we're all going to be stubborn so it is up to Death is Yonder. My final defense is that at two kills per night, the game would already be over if Renata and I were partners. One of the Mafia is already dead. If you really think I was allied with Pizza(who I voted to lynch), Beskar(who I voted to lynch), ArpeggiateTHIS(who I voted to lynch), or Romanic, feel free to vote for me. Just be prepared for a very big I told you so after the game.

ATPG&Civplayah 4ever

**Askthepizzaguy** · 07-22-2010, 06:26

Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Looks like we're all going to be stubborn so it is up to Death is Yonder. My final defense is that at two kills per night, the game would already be over if Renata and I were partners. One of the Mafia is already dead. If you really think I was allied with Pizza(who I voted to lynch), Beskar(who I voted to lynch), ArpeggiateTHIS(who I voted to lynch), or Romanic, feel free to vote for me. Just be prepared for a very big I told you so after the game.

ATPG&Civplayah 4ever

Yeah go ahead and vote for civplayah.

I actually think from their behavior this round, it seems clear to me that I got it wrong, woad&fangs isn't mafia with civplayah, Renata is.

I say we vote for civplayah. Let's see if Renata changes her vote.

**Death is yonder** · 07-22-2010, 10:32

Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Looks like we're all going to be stubborn so it is up to Death is Yonder. My final defense is that at two kills per night, the game would already be over if Renata and I were partners. One of the Mafia is already dead. If you really think I was allied with Pizza(who I voted to lynch), Beskar(who I voted to lynch), ArpeggiateTHIS(who I voted to lynch), or Romanic, feel free to vote for me. Just be prepared for a very big I told you so after the game.

ATPG&Civplayah 4ever

O_o?? And where are you getting this information from, or are you operating on the assumption that ATPG is the mafia?

Not sure if I follow the part where you say that at two kills per night, the game would already be over if Renata and you were partners.

I'm still alive and woad is still alive. If woad were mafia, he almost certainly would have killed me last night to prove Pizza wrong about the "renata and woad" thing. We'll see what happens when he turns up today, but for now I'm operating on the assumption that woad is not mafia. Anyone but woad leaves us both alive.

That leaves you, Blackadder, and DiY. Blackadder didn't even bother to show up yesterday; he's not mafia. DiY voted for Pizzaguy. So did GodEmperor and landlubber. You didn't -- you voted for woad and were bound to do it again. You shouldn't be alive. You're the fly in the ointment, the one player whose survival makes no sense if woad is mafia. Your survival only makes sense if someone is trying to get votes on woad, or if you yourself are mafia (or both).

DiY's not mafia with Pizzaguy. Blackadder's not mafia either. I'm not, and I doubt woad is -- that leaves you.

vote: civplayah

People seem to be operating on the assumption that one mafia is dead despite two kills =nothing proven. Did I miss something?

Bolded section is interesting though. I agree with the reasoning behind it, indeed, with the last phase approaching (since the mafia might/will get two kills despite numbers), they would possess at least some foresight to remove a person who persistently voted for them. With 5 votes now, I agree with Renata that it is unlikely that the mafia would leave 1/3 of the votes required for their possible lynch alive, especially considering said person's persistent voting record, hence I'm more inclined to believe woad.

What did I say? Askthepizzaguy was innocent. Two kills, five people left. That means this is our last chance to lynch mafia.

So civplayah, who do you think is the 2nd mafia then, since you seem convinced of ATPG's innocence. The tone in this post sounds vindictive even, are you going to attempt to lynch woad today and come up with a half-baked story about how therefore so and so must be guilty tomorrow?

I'll like an answer on that

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Hope I'm not making the wrong call here,

Vote: Civplayah