Shinobis

[Brandy Blue]

I've seen some posts which suggest that the more shinobi you have in a rival's province, the more likely there will be a rebellion, and the bigger it will be. Is this
true? I think in MTW, only the highest valor spy counts.

Same question with shinobis for preventing rebellions. If I have more than one in a province do they all improve loyalty, or only one? What about the chance of
capturing enemy shinobi and ninja?

[Togakure]

I've always believed that shinobi stacking is active in STW/WE, though I believe you're right about MTW.

Say I move a half dozen shinobi in an enemy province that was just taken and left with a small garrison. The next turn, the province rebels. All my shinobi in that province gain honor, not just one. This suggests to me that all are affecting. On the other hand, if a half dozen are guarding one of my provinces and intercept an enemy ninja, only one seems to get the credit (increased honor).

I do believe that the number of shinobi increases the chances of a rebellion, but I'm not convinced that it will be bigger. I think the size of the rebellion is tied somewhat to the size of the enemy garrison, not the number of enemy shinobi. I haven't don't any testing to confirm or deny this though.

[caravel]

Masamune is right. Shinobi in STW are different to the spies in MTW in that their effect is cumulative. I think this was fixed in MTW as it was seen as an exploit.

[gollum]

Masamune's observations are mine too. In MTW the exploit was overfixed because of the very cheap border forts. In STW Shinobis are indeed overpowered and underpriced. It would have suffice to raise their training cost (perhaps 300 to 400 koku) to fix the problem (then 2 shonibis=1 border fort and not 8shinobis=1border fort that renders the bf obsolete in the current price).

[caravel]

Yes there was a switch around between shinobi and ninja between STW and MTW. In the latter Assassins became the cheaper unit that can be upgraded fully and is available earliest. For spies you need the castle, they're more expensive to train and the last building in the brothel tech tree cannot be built for some unknown reason. It is definitely an "overfix", in that it makes spies much less worthwhile. The tech tree for spies/assassins in the VI campaign was better IMHO. On the whole though, I prefer how Shinobi/Ninja are in STW.



Edit: for those that don't like border forts, you should be able to stop the AI building them in the building choices file. This will probably mean a lot more AI shinobi and ninja running around though.

[chaouki]

has someone an explanation why an enemy ninja is able to kill multiple priests in one of my provinces despite having a shinobi there? i always thought he would kill every ninja there like the enemy border forts seem to do