Intolerant Spain bans certain types of clothing

**Myrddraal** · 07-05-2010, 15:00

Some Muslims feel that the two are inseparable. I don't think even the most greedy lecherous liquore salesman could say the same of bikinis. If they could, they would have a point! Does their opinion not matter?

No it really isn't, if you allow that you are allowing absolute invisibility. Sparse as they may be terrorist attacks are a real threat. They could assemble a nuke right under our eyes because of such political corectness.

Assemble a nuke under the cover of a Burqa? What nonsense! People's houses allow absolute invisiblity. They could assemble a nuke right in their basement because the political correct brigade refuses to allow full CCTV coverage of all private property. People coming in and out of the country have to identify themselves. It's not like Osama Bin Laden could stroll in with a nuclear bomb under his Burqa! Once you're in the country, anything you can do in a Burqa you can do in a car, or in a rucksack for that matter. Please, let's not pretend that Burqas are walking bombs any more than a rucksack or a van, it's ridiculous.

**Andres** · 07-05-2010, 15:05

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Some Muslims feel that the two are inseparable. I don't think even the most greedy lecherous liquore salesman could say the same of bikinis. If they could, they would have a point! Does their opinion not matter?

Why should there be more understanding for the guy who worships Allah than for the guy who worships the god of money aka his source of income?

Nobody will go bankrupt because she can no longer wear a burqua. The owner of a discoteca might go bankrupt if his audience doesn't come over any more because of some clothing ban. Why do you feel that the burqua woman can complain, but the discoteca owner who will probably be ruined and will see his source of income and everything he worked for disappear, can't?

**rory_20_uk** · 07-05-2010, 15:15

Burquas and beards are not required to be a Muslim... And to be honest, so what if they were? If Druids want to commence the historic practice of ritual human sacrifice is this suddenly OK?

**Myrddraal** · 07-05-2010, 15:15

I assure you, if I thought discos were going to have to be closed because of the ban, I would be suitably outraged, but really? Is that even realistic enough to be mildly comparable?

If bikinis were banned in the UK, I would be the first to sign up for the protest march on Westminster. To be honest I find the Spanish ban stupid anyway, since it is the anti-social behaviour which is the problem, not the clothing (which seems to cause nobody any problems when it's on the beach). If there are any Spanish citizens who feel their livelihood has been damaged by this ban, then I support them entirely (but I doubt it is the case).

Bikinis in restaurants is another matter of course, any private business can have a dress code.

EDIT:

If Druids want to commence the historic practice of ritual human sacrifice is this suddenly OK?

The rights of one end where the rights of another begin. How does other people wearing certain types of clothes, or having beards and worshipping the god of weed, infringe on the rights of others? It's not a good comparison since murdering people definitely infringes on their rights.

**rory_20_uk** · 07-05-2010, 15:26

Ah, who said murder? If the persons are willing, is it OK?

I personally agree that one's individual freedoms should be those that do not impact on the freedoms of others... But this does garner problems where one takes offence at marriages between different castes / ethnic backgrounds, what others eat, how others dress.

Traditionally it'd come down to societal norms - but those are now not inclusive enough.

**miotas** · 07-05-2010, 15:21

It's normal in any beach town for people to walk around in swimmers. Cracking down on drunken rowdy behaviour is fair enough, but banning swim wear away from the beach is silly.

**naut** · 07-05-2010, 15:27

Originally Posted by miotas

It's normal in any beach town for people to walk around in swimmers. Cracking down on drunken rowdy behaviour is fair enough, but banning swim wear away from the beach is silly.

But, I guess we're a beach nation, so maybe our views are skewed. I can understand barring swim-wear clad people from shops and resturants. But, not the street.

**Myrddraal** · 07-05-2010, 15:39

But this does garner problems where one takes offence at marriages between different castes / ethnic backgrounds, what others eat, how others dress.

Does it? What independent, free people marry/eat/wear (in no particular order) is almost always their business. The only times in which it is not their business is when their actions infringe on the rights of others surely?

**Fragony** · 07-05-2010, 16:17

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Does it? What independent, free people marry/eat/wear (in no particular order) is almost always their business. The only times in which it is not their business is when their actions infringe on the rights of others surely?

It does. The only task a government should have is the protection of it's citizins, allowing a security-risk isn't epic-, but basic faillure. The hilarious contradiction of women choosing to wear a burqua because they feel they need to aside, it's simply irresponsible to allow it. Remember, we didn't ask for Islam (musims are welcome that's an important destinction) in our midths, that is all on the left and their so-called tolerance, pc pissing contest is more like it but ok, fine. Doesn't work out so well.

**Fragony** · 07-05-2010, 15:15

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Assemble a nuke under the cover of a Burqa? What nonsense! People's houses allow absolute invisiblity. They could assemble a nuke right in their basement because the political correct brigade refuses to allow full CCTV coverage of all private property. People coming in and out of the country have to identify themselves. It's not like Osama Bin Laden could stroll in with a nuclear bomb under his Burqa! Once you're in the country, anything you can do in a Burqa you can do in a car, or in a rucksack for that matter. Please, let's not pretend that Burqas are walking bombs any more than a rucksack or a van, it's ridiculous.

They would have to get out and get parts. Like it or not but islamic terrorism is real. If you were an evil genius, how would you do it. Must be good to have your evil henchmen have absolute freedom of movement. So we can't allow it. If you think the burqua isn't a security risk I don't think you are thinking like they do.