Intolerant Spain bans certain types of clothing

[rory_20_uk]

Ah, who said murder? If the persons are willing, is it OK?

I personally agree that one's individual freedoms should be those that do not impact on the freedoms of others... But this does garner problems where one takes offence at marriages between different castes / ethnic backgrounds, what others eat, how others dress.

Traditionally it'd come down to societal norms - but those are now not inclusive enough.

[naut]

It's normal in any beach town for people to walk around in swimmers. Cracking down on drunken rowdy behaviour is fair enough, but banning swim wear away from the beach is silly.

But, I guess we're a beach nation, so maybe our views are skewed. I can understand barring swim-wear clad people from shops and resturants. But, not the street.

[Myrddraal]

But this does garner problems where one takes offence at marriages between different castes / ethnic backgrounds, what others eat, how others dress.

Does it? What independent, free people marry/eat/wear (in no particular order) is almost always their business. The only times in which it is not their business is when their actions infringe on the rights of others surely?

[Fragony]

Does it? What independent, free people marry/eat/wear (in no particular order) is almost always their business. The only times in which it is not their business is when their actions infringe on the rights of others surely?

It does. The only task a government should have is the protection of it's citizins, allowing a security-risk isn't epic-, but basic faillure. The hilarious contradiction of women choosing to wear a burqua because they feel they need to aside, it's simply irresponsible to allow it. Remember, we didn't ask for Islam (musims are welcome that's an important destinction) in our midths, that is all on the left and their so-called tolerance, pc pissing contest is more like it but ok, fine. Doesn't work out so well.

[Rhyfelwyr]

But they have equal rights! And they have equal duties! I, a non Muslim Belgian citizen, am not allowed to wear a burqua either!

And if one day Muslims become a majority in Belgium and decide to ban pork and alcohol, then the Belgian Muslims won't be allowed them either. The same rules will apply to all of you! You'll all have equal rights, and equal duties!

So, you think it is possible for a country to impose all kinds of ridiculous bans on people, as long as the people they are being imposed on are not citizens of that country?

Of course. You don't have the right to work in any country you want do you? You leave your rights when you leave the country of your citizenship.

[Beskar]

When will this madness stop? Are all Europeans becoming crazy? What about our freedom? Can we no longer wear what we want? A disgrace! These violations of basic human rights have to stop. If we don't act, the whole of the European continent will be ruled by a totalitarian regime!

Didn't you want to ban the burka?

[Fragony]

Didn't you want to ban the burka?

It isn't really that hard to see the differene between these positions, unless you really want to narrow the discussion down to a mere piece of cloth.

[Myrddraal]

Beskar is being sarcastic I believe. He's British isn't he? You have to humour us.

[Fragony]

Beskar is being sarcastic I believe. He's British isn't he? You have to humour us.

Beskie is being a smartipants and he shall be suitably pwnd, that is very British.

[Gregoshi]

Beskie is being a smartipants and he shall be suitably pwnd, that is very British.

Translated: Beskar should be wary about his threads.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Translated: Beskar should be wary about his threads.

Ouch.

[Louis VI the Fat]

If I were to let my inner Texan speak, I'd say this shows Europes perchant for facism.

[Furunculus]

If I were to let my inner Texan speak, I'd say this shows Europes perchant for facism.

you should always let your inner texan speak!

[Gregoshi]

...I'd say this shows Europes perchant for facism.

What? A uniform dress code?

[Brenus]

“If I were to let my inner Texan speak, I'd say this shows Europes perchant for facism.” Didn’t know that Pinochet, Noriega, Videla and all the others supported by the USA at these times were European…
We learn every day…

[Hosakawa Tito]

When will this madness stop? Are all Europeans becoming crazy? What about our freedom? Can we no longer wear what we want? A disgrace! These violations of basic human rights have to stop. If we don't act, the whole of the European continent will be ruled by a totalitarian regime!

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The resort of Salou on the Costa Daurada, south of Barcelona, has become the first place in Spain to ban shirtless and bikini-clad tourists in a bid to clean up its reputation, which has been badly damaged after becoming a haven for drunken British students.

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Not what you expected, I guess

How could scantily clad and drunken bikini clad babes be a detriment? Did they ask the young male residents of Salou their opinion? Me thinks nay.

Post a "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" sign where needed and allow the rest of us to enjoy the scenery.

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Scratches Salou off the vacation itinerary.

[Idaho]

I have learnt lots of things on this thread:

Wearing Burkhas makes it easier to construct a nuclear device and is similar to human sacrifice.

Who would have thought that such pearls would come from Fragony and Rory

[rory_20_uk]

... and Idaho can use a broad brush to make sweeping statements with no thought to context.

Oh. That isn't really something new, is it?

[KukriKhan]

What if a female wore a bikini over a burqua? Legal in Belgium? Spain?

[Furunculus]

she'd get a slap round the muffin for unjustly tempting our lascivious imaginations!

[Tellos Athenaios]

What if a female wore a bikini over a burqua? Legal in Belgium? Spain?

Or: a burqa over a bikini?
And in the interest of gender “equality”: what if a man wore such garments?

[Brenus]

"And in the interest of gender “equality”: what if a man wore such garments? " KKK?

[Hosakawa Tito]

"And in the interest of gender “equality”: what if a man wore such garments? " KKK?

Hey, leave Robert Byrd out of this.

[Meneldil]

Faster solution: ban british tourists who are under 40. They're a pain wherever they go and are ruining their country's reputation.

Edit: Incidentaly, a big sea resort (La Grande Motte) not far from my own town did the same thing a few years ago, to get rid of all the arab scums turbulent youth. Sad to say, but it worked quite well.

[Louis VI the Fat]

The thread is about burqa & bikini bans, trying to drive home the point that there exists plenty of clothing legislation and regulation. Not to mention, social norms, which are enforced with even greater zeal than legislation - try to make a career if you insist on wearing your penis sheath. (Which, incidentally, is a religious obligation in some societies)
Well done to Andres.


As for Salou's ban on bikinis,...mwah. What, exactly, do the locals expect? If you build up every little village along the Mediterranean with high-rise hotels, god awful restaurants, and a bar on every streetcorner, then an annual horde of Guiris* will descent on you. There seems little point in subsequently trying to discipline these tourists. In effect, the locals are telling them to come, then demanding they be invisible. Pft.


From the Algarve in Potugal, to the Spanish Costas and Islands, to the utterly despoiled French Mediterranean coast, and all the way around to Turkey, the Med has been given over to mass tourism. Only some stretches in Italy and Greece have been somewhat spared, but this is only owing to their having such a long coastline it is near impossible to build it up completely. If it isn't (foreign) tourists, it's the natives and their second homes along the coast.
It is all in such depressing contrast to the more restraint developments along the Atlantic coasts.



* Guiri - derogative term used in Spain to denote a drunk, loud, obnoxious, sunburned Northern European.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

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It is all in such depressing contrast to the more restraint developments along the Atlantic coasts.

In Europe perhaps. Across the pond here we have quite a slew of tacky seaside development on our Atlantic Coast. Moreover, I suspect that NOTHING in Europe can approach the main road just outside Dollywood in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. THAT has to be experienced to be believed.