Request to Community

**Lord Krazy** · 10-16-2002, 23:50

I have nearly 90 free unit slots
waiting to be filled in with new units.

I would like you guys to submit
the name and weapon of a unit or
units of choice so I can release a mod
with 90 new units that you picked
I would prefer to do this then
choose them all myself.
It would be better to let you guys pick anyway so if you have a unit you
want to see in the game or at least
in my mod PLEASE let me know.
First serve first come or something like
that.

I will be posting two new units later.
It will be a musket unit
and a musket with bayonette
no new battelfield lbm icon
or info_pic or unit model yet
but the res will be new
and bad as it is a test unit
to play around with.
They will not be perfect
but neither am I and I made
them.

Lord Krazy

**Stefan the Berserker** · 10-17-2002, 00:24

Things I would like to have:

Foresters - Woodmen with doubled-axe and a Robin Hood Style Suit + medium Armor.

Puzta Riders - Horse Archers for Hungarians.

"Schwertlanzer" - Pikemen with "Euro-Naginata" and heavy Armor. Nice for killing Knights! (Real Unit programmers forgot!)

Skirmisher Cavallary - Light Cavallary throwing Spears.

**Stefan the Berserker** · 10-17-2002, 00:29

Before I forget:

Hungarian Knights!!! Lightly Armored and FAST!!!

And the Puzta Riders should be mighty!

Great Idea Krazy!

**Kraellin** · 10-17-2002, 00:31

i'd like to see some pitchfork peasants, some real rabble. maybe some small scythes, cudgels, clubs. surely all these armies werent as well equipped as the game depicts.

K.

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**Wellington** · 10-17-2002, 00:45

Mounted pistolier would be very nice LK.

Any change of a Slinger! I've been looking at this possibilty and it look's f*****g hard to do!!

**hectogg** · 10-17-2002, 02:03

new units

i like to see:

Avar light cavalry (lance)
scotish archer

bow)
Avar Heavy Cav (Lance)
timur Heavy cav (mongol heavy cav)
timur light cav (mongol light cav)
sicilian mercenary (bow)as German units
murabatin spain mercenary (as spain service)
Magyar Light Cav (lance)
scandinavian archer
Norman Heavy Cav (feudal knight)
saxon fryrdmen (lance+round shield)
norman archer
rus warrior (axe and spearman shield)
asiatic Heavy Cavalry (lance)
georgian cavalry (lance)
seljuk horse archer
viking bondi (axe+round shield)
ottoman handgunner
wallachian light cavalry (bow)
syrian christian archer
Bulgarian Heavy Cavalry (lance)
flemish pikemen
scotish pikemen
morish crossbows
condottieri heavy infantery
condottieri light infantery

if you need i can send more specific units
regards
Hector

**Lord Krazy** · 10-17-2002, 05:14

Posted muskets but forgot to
put a musketA folder in weapons1
so you can do this.
Just create MusketA folder in weapons1
and copy the fight.txt
from the arquebusier folder.
It so the sword shows when they
fight.Can you say that 10 tines quickly?

Btw K,
I couldn't agree more about rabble
I will do of more them

If I forgot anthing else, tell me.
Thanks,

LK

**Skelington The Great** · 10-17-2002, 07:18

Chinese Harquebus Mercenaries? No idea about the reality of such, but they'd be cool. (available by 1400?)

I have to second the mention of mounted handgunners, Viking Bondi, and Scandic archers. Great ideas.

**shand994** · 10-17-2002, 08:42

i would liek some more religious order untis added. They could have chapter houses etc as requirements to build.

**cromwell** · 10-17-2002, 10:21

How about some Welsh unit's
they also have a cool dragon as their symbol.

**dclare4** · 10-17-2002, 11:02

Mounted pistoleers
Dragoons (perhaps the best way to simulate this is making them fire from the saddle. They have to stop to fire anyways so that can simulate dismounting to a certain degree)
Wild Geese (shock Irish infantry with arquebuses and shillelaghs)

I think I listed down the units for Reformation TW in an earlier post...

Best of Luck,
Gilbert de Clare

**Swoosh So** · 10-17-2002, 13:30

I would like to see a scottish bagpipe unit that caused -1 morale to enemies in hearing distance

Swooooooooooshoooooooowl

**Stefan the Berserker** · 10-17-2002, 13:44

Thunderiders! Cavallary Grenadeers!!! Nice to hit heavy armored Units and weak Castles

And Pagan Warriors!!! Vikings in HRE-Services!

Two fictive Units that would be great:

Naptha-Thrower-Cavallary and Knight-xBow-Horse-Archers!

**ICantSpellDawg** · 10-17-2002, 21:21

more religious warriors, but they will all look bad cuz i dont think you can change the mantles that they wear (can you??????!!!!!)

**Wellington** · 10-18-2002, 01:21

Quote Originally posted by Stefan the Berserker:
Oi! Diffrent Horses!

There are only brown Horses, why not make black and grey Horses for diffrent style of Cav?[/QUOTE]

Because it can't be done - yet.

**Galestrum** · 10-18-2002, 02:51

Byzantine Auxileries (light javelin throwing spear infantry - light armor and shield) kinda like kerns

Byzantine Menavlatoi (heavy infantry pikemen)armor piercing anti cav unit

Anatolian Highlanders (similar to Bulagarian Brigands - armed with bows and axes)

Armenian Infantry (similar to ottoman infantry bows and swords)

Pronoai Infantry (feudal men at arms)

**Lord Krazy** · 10-18-2002, 03:13

Quote Originally posted by Wellington:
Because it can't be done - yet.

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Yes it can,I just don't think it's a priority
you will have to change one of the horses
thats there but it can be done.
How about a pieball poney.
LK

**Lord Krazy** · 10-20-2002, 13:04

Quote Originally posted by Stefan the Berserker:
Things I would like to have:

Foresters - Woodmen with doubled-axe and a Robin Hood Style Suit + medium Armor.

Puzta Riders - Horse Archers for Hungarians.

"Schwertlanzer" - Pikemen with "Euro-Naginata" and heavy Armor. Nice for killing Knights! (Real Unit programmers forgot!)

Skirmisher Cavallary - Light Cavallary throwing Spears.

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when you say euro naginata do you
mean with a pole ake type weapon
in which case you want a pike pole axe
this sounds good actualy did exist
who cares for this guy I will make
a pike pole ake .Do you know what it
looks like or do you want me
to use my imagination.

As for the rest I will post a list
of which will be the 90 new units
and I should be finished putting them in the prod11,
dead page,
and bif entries
by tonight
all jags units will get in because he is sending all the relavant files
If any one else wants to do so I am willing
to make amedments.To the list anything to
less work he he.

LK

**Lord Krazy** · 10-20-2002, 16:11

Quote Originally posted by dclare4:

I think I listed down the units for Reformation TW in an earlier post...
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---------------------------------------------May I request you do it again here I
can't find it.

Thanks
Lord Krazy

**Lord Krazy** · 10-20-2002, 18:47

unitname:weapon: who gets them : suggeted by:

1 Schwertlanzer

oleaxe pike: some german place: Stefan the Berserker

2 Puzta Riders:bows: hungarians: STB
Stef I can do double axe guy but robin hood suit would take a week alone
so if you want him without the leotards I'll put him in,
if they had bows I could use the janissarybows they look like
a cross between robin hood and an elf.

3 Mounted pistolier:guess: all : Wellington

Next bunch by Hectog speaks for it self more or less but I need some clarification
on a few like condottieri asaitic and avar who gets them they sound
scottish and jewish to me and what weapons do they get?

4 Avar light cavalry: (lance);where?

5 scotish archer: bow:

6 Avar Heavy Cav (Lance)where?

7 timur Heavy cav :lance?: (mongol heavy cav)

8 timur light cav

(mongol light cav)

9 sicilian mercenary (bow)as German units?

10 murabatin spain mercenary (as spain service)

11 Magyar Light Cav (lance)

12 scandinavian archer

3 countries guess

13 Norman Heavy Cav (feudal knight)

14 saxon fryrdmen (lance+round shield)

15 norman archer

16 rus warrior (axe and spearman shield)

17 condottieri light infantery :?:?:

18 condottieri heavy infantery:?:?:

19 georgian cavalry (lance)

20 seljuk horse archer

21 viking bondi (axe+round shield)

22 ottoman handgunner

23 wallachian light cavalry (bow)

24 syrian christian archer

25 Bulgarian Heavy Cavalry (lance)

26 morish crossbows

27 asiatic Heavy Cavalry (lance)

28 Chineese arquebusier :gun: Shand994( he eh god loves a trier)
I'll do a couple of units for mongols I'll call them mercs but only let
mogols have them .Hows that? eg:mercenary Korean spearmen

next lot by Galestrum

29Byzantine Auxileries (light javelin throwing spear infantry - light armor and shield)

30Byzantine Menavlatoi (heavy infantry pikemen)armor piercing anti cav unit

31Anatolian Highlanders (similar to Bulagarian Brigands - armed with bows and axes)

32Armenian Infantry (similar to ottoman infantry bows and swords)

33Pronoai Infantry (feudal men at arms)

next bunch by

34 Light Irish Horse. A small 30 man cavalry unit with a javelin capability. Medium speed, low honor, low defense, low armor. Armed with a sword as well, but really a throw javelin and run unit. It can't stand up to anything else on a horse-nor much on foot that wants to fight..

35 Bonnacht Spearmen. An Irish javelin armed spearmen unit which represents a sightly lower quality spear counterpart to the Gallowglas and fights in close formation. Uncontrollable tendencies in battle

36 Breton Javelinmen. A javelin armed skirmisher similiar to the Kern but of smaller formation size and some small stat differences.

37 Scottish Pikemen. This unit lies between the 6 ft spear and 20 ft pike unit. Originally showed up around 1300. Stats to match between a spear and a pike. Weakly armored but good honor.

38 Flemish Pikemen. Similiar to Scottish Pikemen but better armor and defence due to the richness of the region. Honor like a reg pikemen.

39 Welsh Spearmen. An early era skirmishing spearmen with javelins. Formation spacing is between tight and loose. The unit has poor armor/defense but fast for skirmishing. Yet can also stand up to cavalry if necessary with their spears. Ideal for broken terrain. Uncontrollable tendencies in battle though.

40 Housecarle spearmen :spear

41 Early Noman knights :spear

42 Early Spanish Knights:spear

43 Early German Knights:spear

44 Geonese xbow:xbow

This lot inspired by Kraelinn:

45 peasant with: club

46 peasant with

itch fork

47 peasant with:axe

if I can fit a scyth in the bif I'll do one but not sure yet K.

This lot by me:

48 Grenadiers : grenade\sword :all

49 Cuman mercenary cavalry

mercs

50 Cuman archars

mercs

51 Irish FootKnights:sword:irish

52 feudal bows :bows:all

53 Musket:musket with sword:all

54 Musket and bayonette:all

55 Nubian javalin:almohad
(I was thinking of doing a Zulu dawn mod with these guys.
I'm going to give them different names of course.Would you play it?
the idea would be that as the Zulus you got to kill the English
and as the English you have to kill the Zulus.I think it's very Original
yet based on history he he. )

I was thinking of doing personalised
royal bodyguards for each faction
and foot Knights to go with them

That makes the extra 90 odd I think
this does not have to be the case if you
got anymore suggestions.Plus
if I forgot something you think should
be there same goes
Another thing only 3 bifs have an animation for throwing
a javalin the peaseant, the bornous and the neginf,
so if you want a javalin tell which unit you want
I presume you all want the peasant one

Thanks

Lord Krazy

**Stefan the Berserker** · 10-20-2002, 20:22

Eh! I got a nice idea: Paladin!

Make a kind of Kensai-Knight riding on white Horse so he looks like the perfect Knight in those Fairy Tales from Middleages!!!

Paladin: "Myes is gay, but hero we are and fuck you up we can!"

**Stefan the Berserker** · 10-20-2002, 20:50

Actually Foresters have something to do with Elves: It are so called "Waldläufer", no idea to translate it but it are Bandits and Pagans who survived through hiding in the deep Woods. People in Germany and Scandinavia oftenly thought that these guys are Wargs (Wearwulfs). So you can make them with these bows...

**Galestrum** · 10-21-2002, 00:59

Hey LK ill be giving you detailed report about my units, if you need further info just let me know here and thx for doing this =)

Byzantine Auxiliaries - they throw javelins in (ranged) and use spears in (melee), use the peasant bif. Look and feel should be byzantine, armed with medium shield and spear

missiles good vs armour, poor morale, defend well vs. cavalry, strong charge, weak attack

bldgs. req - town_watch2
unit size - 100
cost - on par with spearmen, support costs fairly low
faction(s) byzantine

Byzantine Menavlatoi - elite byzantine unit, use heavy pikes and shields and are armoured heavily, byzantine look and feel.

large shield, very good defense, armoured, defend well vs cavalry, good morale, disciplined, bonus vs. armoured troops, very good attack, very strong charge

Bldgs req. - Spearmaker3, armourer2
Unit size - 100
faction(s) byzantine

Pronoai Infantry - similar to feudal man at arms in look and weaponry (sword and medium shield)

armoured, good attack, good defense, good morale

bldg. req. - swordsmith 2
unit size - 60
faction(s) byzantine

Armenian Infantry - eastern/islamic/byzantine look and feel, armed with bows, and swords

armed w/ bows, good attack, strong charge, armoured

bldg req - bowyer1, swordsmith1, armor1
unit size - 60
factions - all factions
regions req - lesser armenia, rum, armenia

Anatolian Highlanders - eastern/islamic/byzantine look and feel armed with bows and axes

bonus vs. armoured troops, armed w/ bows, good attack

bldg. req - bowyer2
unit size - 60
faction(s) - all
req region(s) - anatolia

there you go and thanks =)

**CaPeFeAr** · 10-21-2002, 01:12

LK, if you could plz make the original units from shogun you would be the hero of online play

we miss our old sprites.... so much attention to detail went into the first set of units, they were truly good looking... the no dachi... warrior monk... the ashi... the yari... the cav were better too... 900 yari cav charging at once was sweet.... i still have screenshots of it. seems they spent a lot less time on the unit graphics this time around...

if you could make a stw mod everone would be truly happy

if i can help let me know!

**Galestrum** · 10-21-2002, 01:50

LK a side note on the Byzantine Menavlatoi unit

Drop the bonus vs. armoured troops stat

and the unit should look something like the italian light infantry

ty again

**Lord Krazy** · 10-21-2002, 02:16

Good news for K enough room to put a scythe
and the bif already has
a pitchfork at 141,240,204,247

bad news it has 8 other weapons so that would mean
not using one of the other weapons
as it can only take 8 weapons folders
So to get around this I will put them in the dervish folder .
It only has one unit ,that looks the part too.
I think they look more like celts then Dervish
It has loads of room so I can use this to add new weapons for the peasants.

I'v added 55 units to prod11, deadpage and names.txt so far
so I will get that done tonight more or less
Fell free to suggest more
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Stefan,Galestrum,
thanks very much makes that
things easier.Not sure how to get byzantian
look in peasant.bif ,maybe I'll try
and fix the LtopHelm.bif and add a throwing
animation seen as it's supposed to have
one for the almugarvar who seem to magic
thier javalin into flight .Its not because
they forgot to put the right numbers
in the right folder,no they just plain forgot
to draw it.
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CaPeFeAr,
This is more up baroccas street
thanks to him we know the principle is sound.
Now I'v been thinking ever scince
I managed to add the 90+ units ,that it
would be possible to add all the units
from shogun and I know somebody who wants to do it.I have told him already that I would
help out on this project.He told me about
this hero thing too but I'm to sure about that,look what happened to John Lennon
and you guys kill for fun, he he.
So if it's simply a case of just rearanging
the numbers and CA allow more bifs I'll do it soon .If not we will have to derive a suitable system which will take time.
Either way you will see some of them soon
by hook or by crook.

LK

[This message has been edited by Lord Krazy (edited 10-20-2002).]

**hectogg** · 10-21-2002, 19:36

my units request,clarifications

Avar Light Cavalry -Turkish Faction similar
to Turcoman cavalry

Avar Heavy Cav-Turkish Faction similar to Early Ghulan cavalry

Timur Heavy Cavalry -Turkish faction similar
to Mongol heavy cav

Timur Light cav -Turkish Faction similar to
mongol light cav

sicilian mercenary -Hre faction similar to nizar unit

if yu need other clarification,pls inform
im not intened to yu put all my request,but
im happy with put most the units
regards
Hector

**Stefan the Berserker** · 10-21-2002, 23:14

Nice Mongo-Unit: Cho-Ko-Nu Archery!

Mongos have brought many tech from Asia to Europe and from Europe to Asia (Venice Glasses and other stuff have been found in the grave of Yu Emperors!). So why shouldn't they get the Cho-Ko-Nu Crossbow? Asian Stuff of the first class!

Anybody here also complained about missing more Mongos...

Could you edit the Mongo-Warriors to be Crossbow Archers and drag down the reloadtime so they don't need more time to reload than a normal Archer? And make Samurai(yes) so they are not peasantlike! This is a nice unit!!!

Hehehehehehe

**CaPeFeAr** · 10-21-2002, 23:38

**Galestrum** · 10-22-2002, 04:32

*waits in great anticipation for the unit add ons* =)

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