Oliver Stone: Holocaust Blown Way Out of Proportion by Jewish Dominated Media

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think the only reason the Holocaust is so shocking is that is it a relatively recent event. Ethnic cleansing might have been common in the past, but the Holocaust was unique in the past couple of hundred years of (western?) European history. Since the development of humanism and the enlightenment etc, genocide really hasn't gone down well in this part of the world, the last time the British tried it on their own soil it became a national disgrace.

So when the Holocaust came it was obviously a shock to see the old ethnic cleansing combined with modern technology. The efficient, bureaucratic approach is in a way more horrific than the old style genocides, like Joshua leading the armies of Israel to smite the Canaanites. Genocide of any kind is horrific but the Nazi approach was so cold, it makes it seem more... chilling.

Of course, in the wider scheme of things, its also true that the Holocuast was not much more than a sideshow compared to the major issues of WWII. A lot of the ethnic cleansing on the eastern front was led by the native populations there. The big issues of the time were the different reactions to the various changes taking place in society. Fascism was one response to the issue of class struggle, along with communism and international capitalism, and so the big ideologies fought it out.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Oliver stone (born of a Jewish father and Catholic mother and raised Episcopalian) has since retracted most of his comments. The one point he did not retract, and which I believe is his central "issue" here, is the influence of the "Jewish Lobby" on U.S. foreign policy. Stone, like many, is not so much anti-jew as he is anti-Israel.

The anti-Israel position fits in very nicely with his leftist politics and continual focus on Western oppression/exploitation/etc. of non-whites. His movies have clearly depicted the U.S. as being mis-guided/criminally wrong in Vietnam, have suggested that the Kennedy assassination was an inside job favoring the military industrial complex, and has consistently atacked corporatism/capitalism as an evil.

As an aside, he has always seemed to me to be capable of creating films that were 85% wonderful. Unfortunately, he then writes a ham-fisted preachy ending to pound his point home -- apparently he has little confidence that we've been able to pick up the "lesson" he's already been depicting for 120 minutes. I mean, did any of you need the Sheen voice-over to tell you what Platoon meant? Or did you "somehow" manage to figure out Stone's "take" on Vietnam without it. Sheesh.

[rvg]

The one point he did not retract, and which I believe is his central "issue" here, is the influence of the "Jewish Lobby" on U.S. foreign policy. Stone, like many, is not so much anti-jew as he is anti-Israel.

Then he should have been talking about pro-Israel lobby instead of the Jewish one. The thing he might be forgetting is that pro-Israel lobby consists mostly of Evangelicals rather than Jews and is funded mostly by the Evangelicals.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Then he should have been talking about pro-Israel lobby instead of the Jewish one. The thing he might be forgetting is that pro-Israel lobby consists mostly of Evangelicals rather than Jews and is funded mostly by the Evangelicals.

It is far too easy for most of us to toss out "monlithic" terms (Jews, Democrats, Conservatives) when only a particular slice of that group is behind the policy/issue we abhor. Stone made just such a mistake....and is paying for it.