Oliver Stone: Holocaust Blown Way Out of Proportion by Jewish Dominated Media

[HoreTore]

But I'd like to add that what Hitler is now Napoleon was in the 1800's and Genghis Khan in the 1400's and Atilla in the 500's.

Say whaaaat? Napeleon was at the head of a revolution that led to the eventual downfall of every european hereditary dictator, and was spreading civil rights everywhere he went.

Or in order words, the exact opposite of Hitler.

[Skullheadhq]

Napeleon was at the head of a revolution that led to the eventual downfall of every european hereditary dictator.

Napeleon? Never heard of him? I think you meant Napoleon :D

led to the eventual downfall of every european hereditary dictator.

downfall of every european hereditary dictator.

Ah, that explains why he installed his family members as kings and queens (the heriditary dictator) everywhere (Holland, Italy etc.). And no, Napoleon defeated Austria in 4 (!) wars and yet the Habsburgers remained on the throne. Prussia was made a puppet, but yet the Hohenzollerns remained on the throne. He created the dutchy of Warsaw (Duke is a 'heriditary dictator'), so no.

And I never meant that he is the same in every way as Napoleon or Atilla. Just the part where people feared and hated his name for a century.

[Brenus]

“the French as resistance fighters, not as collaborators for example”: Would be true without “Lacombe Lucien” movie…

“Yeah but it wasn't just Germany it was everyone.” Every one organising convoys ending in extermination camps?

Sorry, but the Final Solution is a specificity of the Nazi in the methods and in the Ideology.
Then, the Holocaust was single out because it was completely ignored at the end of WW2. The deportees were even not first to be repatriated.
Even Ben Gourion who can’t be suspected of anti-Semitism, had problem in accepting the Holocaust as specific.

The importance of this unique process, the understanding of this “exception” came later because as many in this forum, people wanted just to see as a result of the war and not as a result of a policy.
Nuremberg had to invent the charge of Genocide. If Napoleon, Tamerlan, Gengis Khan, and all the Great Conquerors were “Genocidors”, it would have been very easy to charge and sentence the Nazi.

I would say the denying of the Eastern Countries suffering and slaughtered was more than the Extermination was exaggerated for political purposes mainly.
Even today: Shimon Peres, Israeli President, visiting Jasenovac, declared that the Nazi Germans pushed the Nazi Croats… Sorry but no. The cruelty of the Utase didn’t come because the Germans. It was there and didn’t need to be pushed…
Again, it is a try to push on Germany the guilt and, by the same token, to put the Eastern Countries on the good side as victims.

“It is a big deal, but it would be nice to get a more objective viewpoint of Hitler and the NSDAP than we tend to get.” Like what? New explanation for the Crystal night, Long knives night, brutality as political tool, racism (in full sense) as foundation of an ideology, extermination as goal?

“All the while the rest of Europe simply stood there, pretending it didn't know what was going on.” Err, they were at war if you remember…

“642335465 Holocaust movies” Didn’t notice there are so much of them… Just top of your head, give me ten, specifically on the Holocaust…

“The systematic gassing of Haitians by Napoleon” Can you give me links for that, for personal interest. Gassing before the industrial Revolution…

“they exterminated the females and children of the Boers had a significant impact on the Second Boer War” Nope. It was not a extermination, planned as in Sobibor or Birkenau but a plain lacking of hygienic principles and moral principal together…

[Brenus]

And I never meant that he is the same in every way as Napoleon or Atilla. Just the part where people feared and hated his name for a century. You should compare My Kampf and the Code Civil. You will discover things...

[Skullheadhq]

“642335465 Holocaust movies”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films

“The systematic gassing of Haitians by Napoleon” Can you give me links for that, for personal interest. Gassing before the industrial Revolution…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crime_of_Napoleon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-claims.html

“they exterminated the females and children of the Boers had a significant impact on the Second Boer War” Nope. It was not a extermination, planned as in Sobibor or Birkenau but a plain lacking of hygienic principles and moral principal together…

No, the women and children were starved to death just so the men would surrender to save them, the men didn't.

TWhen the treaty at Versailles was signed people already sighed that all they did was laying the foundations for the inevitable part deux.

"This is not peace, this is an armistice for 20 years" - Ferdinand Foch, 1918.
Missed it by a year.

[Ser Clegane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films

Soooo - this is the backup for these hyperbolic statements:

Oh, then you missed the 642335465 Holocaust movies they showed last night. It's all made to make us feel bad. Israel lives on pity, do you think we'd swallow all of Israel's **** without the holocaust?

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There are only two sorts of WWII movies: 642335465 Holocaust movies and 23345436 D-Day movies, this is sad, because WWII was more than that.

and you refer to one (according to your link) highly disputed book by one historian as the source for "Napoleon = Hitler"

[Skullheadhq]

Soooo - this is the backup for these hyperbolic statements: [....]

Name one other event that has as much movies. Just one. (WWII excluded)

and you refer to one (according to your link) highly disputed book by one historian as the source for "Napoleon = Hitler"

I just said it 2 times before, so I'll repeat it: Napoleon is like Hitler and Genghis Khan in the aspect that he was feared for the next 100 years, not in other aspects. It would be impossible to compare Genghis and Hitler in any other aspect. But yet the allegations that Napoleon gassed Haitians are interesting at least.

[Fragony]

Name one other event that has as much movies. Just one. (WWII excluded)

More people could read and write so there are simply more story's to tell. Can only have so many individual story's over a battle. I am going to look into the Haiti stuff, it wouldn't surprise me all that much.

@Brenus, gas (as a weapon) was already used at the siege of Breda by the Spanish, they used it to clear tunnels.

[Ser Clegane]

Name one other event that has as much movies. Just one. (WWII excluded)

How many other contemporary events of a similar scale come to mind? How many events that were located in countries that have the movie-making industry and the target audience?

Considering this the coverage that the Holocaust receives seems to be well in line with other similar events (WW2, Vietnam, Hiroshima/Nagasaki), however, you are blowing it completely out of proportion by trying to create the (wrong) impression that every time you turn on the TV you have to watch a Holocaust movie.

[Andres]

Name one other event that has as much movies. Just one. (WWII excluded)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vietnam_War_films