Oliver Stone: Holocaust Blown Way Out of Proportion by Jewish Dominated Media

[Fragony]

I am "hinting" at the fact that for the nazi regime the Holocaust was part of the "big picture" just as the war was part of the "big picture". Both were tools of the same ideology and simply cannot be separated. Your focus on strategic importance in the war seems to completely ignore that wars are not fought for the sake of it but for a purpose. Claiming that large scale genocide did not mean anything in the "big picture" suggests a lack of understanding of the context on your end - the hyperbole around how the media bombards you with movies etc. on the Holocaust does not alleviate that impression.

Just about every historian sees WW2 as WW1.5, Hitler didn't invade his neighbours because he wanted to kill jews. Jews were already persecuted before the invasion. Perfectly possible to see it as seperate events.

[Brenus]

Hitler didn't invade his neighbours because he wanted to kill jews.. Hitler invaded his neighbours as he saw them as inferiors in his Racist Ideology and the Natural Right for Germany to expend at the East and to enslave their population after having killed their elits.
So the killing of Jews was certainely in the agenda...

[Fragony]

Hitler didn't invade his neighbours because he wanted to kill jews.. Hitler invaded his neighbours as he saw them as inferiors in his Racist Ideology and the Natural Right for Germany to expend at the East and to enslave their population after having killed their elits.
So the killing of Jews was certainely in the agenda...

The Netherlands also inferior? The final solution emerged later, initially he just wanted them gone. Some even go as far that Hitler didn't care all that much about the jews and that it was an ordinary robbery to fill the warchest. When the treaty at Versailles was signed people already sighed that all they did was laying the foundations for the inevitable part deux. Without Hitler no holocaust, but no WW2?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Hmm, without Hitler would the ideology behind Lebensraum be put into practice?
Thus without Hitler would Germany have annexed its neighbours (Austria, Czech Republic etc.) leading to the conflict over Poland?

Because that is what prompted Germany to invade the Netherlands: to wipe out the French military. Netherlands, Denmark, Norway etc. were all collateral damage as it were; or a nice bonus on the side depending on how you look at it.

[Fragony]

The Netherlands was invaded to serve as base to attack England, not France. It's worth asking wether or not WW2 was inevitable, the holocaust is of no importance for that question.

[HoreTore]

The Netherlands also inferior? The final solution emerged later, initially he just wanted them gone. Some even go as far that Hitler didn't care all that much about the jews and that it was an ordinary robbery to fill the warchest. When the treaty at Versailles was signed people already sighed that all they did was laying the foundations for the inevitable part deux. Without Hitler no holocaust, but no WW2?

The netherlands were attacked because they were in between Germany and France and Britain, who attacked Germany because Germany attacked to the east.

Don't confuse the final solution and Lebensraum; the final solution came later in the war, correct, but Lebensraum, the idea that the russians should be enslaved to make room for German overlords, is an idea that started in the 13th century.

Ah, that explains why he installed his family members as kings and queens (the heriditary dictator) everywhere (Holland, Italy etc.). And no, Napoleon defeated Austria in 4 (!) wars and yet the Habsburgers remained on the throne. Prussia was made a puppet, but yet the Hohenzollerns remained on the throne. He created the dutchy of Warsaw (Duke is a 'heriditary dictator'), so no.

....Which would explain why I said he "was the leader of the movement that would (....)". The moevemtn referred to is of course the French revolution, and yes, it was the French revolution and its ideas that led to the downfall of the European monarchs. And Napoleons Code Civil did help make that true, regardless of the fact that he created hereditary positions for himself and his family.

And yes, he was hated and feared by monarchists all over Europe for sure; but he was loved by everyone who loved freedom and progress.