Originally Posted by Skullheadhq:
I opened it and the first thing I saw was "Forrest Gump", yeaah right...
Your list has "Cabaret" on it.
“The Netherlands also inferior?” No, the Dutch were not in the list of inferiors. However, nor France or England but they were the ones on the road. Hitler wanted to avoid fighting on two fronts so the neutralisation of France and England was his first priority as the two countries decided finally that the invasion (East) of Poland was the step too much.
“The Netherlands was invaded to serve as base to attack England, not France”
Holland like Belgium was the bait for the French Mechanised Army and BEF and just this.
“Without Hitler no holocaust, but no WW2?” Probably a WW2 as we know now that from 1919, Germany started to avoid all her commitments regarding the Treaty. Secret training in USSR, training of army etc…
Skullheadhq, I suggest you should read the links you provide, e.g. The Dairy of Ann Frank is not an Holocaust movies (nor the Juggler and Exodus) as many of them. They all speak of the Holocaust but they don’t describe it…
Same with Napoleon gassing the slaves I am afraid. The annoyance with philosophers is they are not Historians, so they tend to evacuate all what is not going in their direction.
And why a French general would have use such a method when they had one used and proven efficient one as showed in Vendée and Britany: Gal Turreau (I have no prisoner to be blame for. I killed them all…. They all finish under the free sword of the Revolution).
I suggest you to read the Decret of 1st of August 1793 (which is very closed of what the British will do in South Africa/Transvaal) and the 12 “colonnes Infernales” that break definitively the Royalist up-raising…
“But yet the allegations that Napoleon gassed Haitians are interesting at least.”
Well it would if Napoleon had put a foot in Haiti… Can’t be in Italy, Egypt, Spain, Russia, Germany, Austria etc AND Haiti…
“No, the women and children were starved to death just so the men would surrender to save them, the men didn't.” Err, yes it was a monstrosity but no more than a contra-insurgency usual tactic that was use e.g. Vietnam, Algeria or Vendée. You deprive the enemy of his support (guerrilla is in the population like a fish in the river, so dry the river) managed with brutality and incompetence.
The total death tall (27,000 according to a pro-Boers site) is one day of Treblinka, just to put things in perspectives.
“Name one other event that has as much movies”
Well, according you extended definition, all movies speaking the Conquest of the West are about the Genocide of the Natives…
“gas (as a weapon) was already used at the siege of Breda by the Spanish, they used it to clear tunnels.”
Interesting. How they did and which gas? In tunnel, it understandable and easy as all miners know, you have deadly explosive gas (grisou) or even simply methane…
“I opened it and the first thing I saw was "Forrest Gump", yeaah right...” You should have done this for your link…
Don't know what gas they used. Tunneling was pretty common because of the soft soil, defending part also made them and put 'listeners' there. My neighbour actually found one under his house, pretty cool.
And no, just no. The Netherlands was invaded because of England, Hitler actually planned an invasion using paratroopers but lost too many airplanes.
Skullheadhq 11:24 29/07/10
Originally Posted by Fragony:
And no, just no. The Netherlands was invaded because of England, Hitler actually planned an invasion using paratroopers but lost too many airplanes.
The Netherlands was probably attacked because the French counted on a repeat of the 1905 von Schlieffen plan. The French line needed to be stretched to the max, which would need Holland on the Allies' side. Because of this Guderian could force multiple breakthroughs.
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq:
The Netherlands was probably attacked because the French counted on a repeat of the 1905 von Schlieffen plan. The French line needed to be stretched to the max, which would need Holland on the Allies' side. Because of this Guderian could force multiple breakthroughs.
Nope. Hitler didn't expect the costs of invading the Netherlands, it was the first time paratroopers were used. Bit of an experiment that costed 1/3 of the German Luftwaffe, the invasion of England had to wait.
@Brennus & Fragony: Gas is used as weapon as far back as Antiquity, in sieges. And it is trivial to get (lethal) gas down the shafts: simply burn carbon-based compounds and you will probably get carbon-mono-oxide, which is highly dangerous. However, if the attacker did intend to attack with gas the usual approach was to burn sulphur or sulphur-compounds: sulphur (and compounds) are readily available and when it burns the gasses it produces are quite toxic: people would die of a combination of asphyxiation and burns (in the lungs for instance) resulting from contact with sulphuric acid.
Got more on that? They understood oxygen then.
Single Sign On provided by
vBSSO