Has anybody in history found a counter to the Hammer-and-Anvil?

**Prussian to the Iron** · 07-28-2010, 15:16

along. American forces fought alone in the Pacific, and just about every country helped us in Europe, at least that could.

**lars573** · 07-28-2010, 16:05

Originally Posted by Prussian Iron

along. American forces fought alone in the Pacific, and just about every country helped us in Europe, at least that could.

Myth.

**Ja'chyra** · 07-28-2010, 19:02

Originally Posted by Prussian Iron

along. American forces fought alone in the Pacific, and just about every country helped us in Europe, at least that could.

Helped you in Europe?

When did the war start again?

**miotas** · 07-29-2010, 01:50

Originally Posted by Prussian Iron

along. American forces fought alone in the Pacific, and just about every country helped us in Europe, at least that could.

So China, Australia, New Zealand, UK, Netherlands, the Philippines, and all the other island nations that were fighting in the Pacific War weren't actually fighting? Without these countries even simply providing a place to stay for the US, there is no way that the US could have even thought about winning.

**HoreTore** · 07-29-2010, 10:19

Originally Posted by Prussian Iron

along. American forces fought alone in the Pacific, and just about every country helped us in Europe, at least that could.

Uhm, no. The US was far from the only nation who fought Japan.

China fought them for years before the war and continued into the war, the UK had sizeable forces in the area, the french and dutch were there, Australia fought with their entire military as well as resistance groups in every country occupied by Japan.

**Husar** · 07-29-2010, 12:13

Meh, AFAIK Goofball is in the canadian army and he's got more cojones than all of you canadian army haters together!

**Kagemusha** · 07-29-2010, 21:24

There has always been counter for single and double envelopment tactics. A concentrated strike. If the manouvering enemy is too weak at one point while stretching his forces. a concentrated attack against the weak point might cut his forces in two and into full dissarray.

**Cyclops** · 08-10-2010, 03:23

Very true, Kagemusha. I guess the Finnish army demonstated the value of the surgical strike against the Soviets in 1940.

Were the Soviet forces attempting any sort of hammer-and-anvil there? or was it just hammer-hammer-hammer?

**Whacker** · 08-10-2010, 08:45

The whole point of the hammer-and-anvil tactic is pinning any enemy in place then smashing the crap out of them. Don't get pinned. In any fight, be it individual vs individual up to a full scale war, mobility is always key. Guerrilla tactics work wonders. Use ambushes, fighting retreats, false retreats, but never let get yourselves pinned down.

**Kagemusha** · 08-14-2010, 16:21

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Very true, Kagemusha. I guess the Finnish army demonstated the value of the surgical strike against the Soviets in 1940.

Were the Soviet forces attempting any sort of hammer-and-anvil there? or was it just hammer-hammer-hammer?

Mostly just hammer, hammer, while the more mobile Finnish forces used Motti tactics which were sort of envelopment tactics.