Scordisci - a case for a new faction

[Nerva]

Scordisci a case for a new faction

Let me clarify here that to propose this faction has nothing to do with nationalism ideologies as I live half a world away from where this tribal kingdom was, mainly I propose it because of the interesting cultural mix present in a possible Scordisci faction as it is a celtic political organization with both Illyrian and Thracian subjects. The only problem I could see is the making of a family tree as there isn’t written sources about this them, but I’m sure is not the only faction with this problem (as actual EB pritanoi, sauromatae and Saka).

Origins:

The ethnic affiliation of the Scordisci has been debated by historians. Some refer to them as Celtic,Thracian or Illyrian or a Celtic mix of the above.The Scordisci were found during different timelines in Illyria,Thrace and Dacia sometimes splitting into more than one group like the Scordisci Major and the Scordisci Minor.
Andras Mocsy clarifies their ethnic character, suggesting that they were not a Celtic tribe per se, but a "Celtic political creation". They were formed after 278 BC, as some of the survivors of the Celtic invasions of Greece settled the abovementioned region imposing themselves as a thin, yet powerful, ruling class. Rather quickly, they were subsumed by the numerically superior natives, although the Celtic tribal name was retained, albeit the Illyricized version Scordistae was often used after the 2nd century BC. According to onosmatic evidence, Scordiscan settlements to the east of the Morava river were Thracianized.
The tribes of Autariatae and the Celtic Scordisci are thought to have merged into one in the Lower Morava valley, Serbia, after 313 BC, since excavations show that the two groups made burials at the same exact grave field in Pecine, near Kostolac. Nine graves of Autariatae dating to 4th century BC and scattered Autariatae and Celtic graves around these earlier graves show that the two groups mixed rather than made war and this resulted in the lower Morava valley becoming a Celto-Thraco-Illyrian interaction zone
Extensive La Tene type finds, of local production, are noted in Pannonia as well as northern Moesia Superior, attesting to the concentration of Celtic settlements and cultural contacts. However, such finds south of the Sava river are scarce

Little history:

Scordisci were, in ancient geography, a war-like tribe inhabiting the southern part of lower Pannonia, comprising parts of the present-day countries Austria, Croatia, Hungary, Serbia, Slovenia, Slovakia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, between the Savus (Sava), Dravus (Drava) and Danube rivers. Their tribal name may be connected to the name of the Scordus mountain (Šar mountain) which was located between Illyria and Paionia.
The Scordisci were a Celtic tribe, belonging to the Segovesus branch. Evidence can be found in the testimony of Torgus Pompejus who already came in contact with them in that area. Strabo mentions the Celts already in the area as early as 300 BC. The Scordisci did not pose an active threat to the Greeks until other tribes invading the area pushed the Celts more southwards.
There is a hypothesis that it was the Scordisci who met with Alexander the Great, according to Arrian and Strabo. It took the Celtic delegation only a couple of day's travel to reach Alexander. Since there were no records of other Celtic tribes in the region historians presume these were the Scordisci.
Despite the repulsion from Greece, Celtic power in the Balkans was certainly not at an end. After their formation c. 278 BC, little is heard of the Scordisci for some time. During Macedon's zenith, the attention of the Scordisci was focussed on Pannonia, consolidating their control of the region. They controlled the various Pannonian tribes in the region, extracting tribute and enjoying the status of the most powerful tribe in the central Balkans, and they erected fortresses in Singidunum and Taurunum, (today's city of Belgrade). The Roman's first siege of Segestica, having been under the control of their Pannonian clients, curtailed Celtic control in Dalmatia and south-western Pannonia. This combined with the turmoil following Alexander the Great's death, prompted the Scordisci to turn their attention southward. They subjegated a number of tribes in Moesia, including the Dardani, several west Thracian tribes and the Paeonians. From 141 BC, the Scordisci were constantly involved in battles against Roman held Macedonia. In 135 BC they were defeated by Cosconius in Thrace. In 118 BC, according to a memorial stone discovered near Thessalonica, Sextus Pompeius, probably the grandfather of the triumvir, was slain fighting against them near Stobi. In 114 BC they surprised and destroyed the army of Gaius Porcius Cato in the western mountains of Serbia, but were defeated by Minucius Rufus in 107 BC. Yet, they did not give up claim over Pannonia, since they are mentioned as having battled in the second siege of Sisak in 119 BC.
They still, from time to time, gave trouble to the Roman governors of Macedonia, whose territory they invaded in combination with the Maedi and Dardani. They even advanced as far as Delphi and plundered the temple; but Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus finally overcame them in 88 BC and drove them across the Danube. After this, the power of the Scordisci declined rapidly. This decline was more a result of the political situation in barbaricum rather than the effects of Roman campaigns, as their client tribes, especially the Pannonians, became more powerful and politically independent. Between 56 and 50 BC, the Scordisci were defeated by Burebista's Dacians, and became subject to him.
They were crushed in 15 BC by Tiberius, and became Roman subjects, playing the part as mercenaries. Other sources say the Romans made alliance with the Scordisci in Sirmium and Danube valleys following the Alpine campaign under Tiberius in 15 BC, the alliance would be crucial for the victory over the Pannonians (15BC) and later Breuci (12BC).They started receiving Roman citizenship during Trajan's rule. With their Romanization, they ceased to exist as an independent ethno-political unit.

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In the following spoiler you can find an archeological investigation of Scordisci tribe that talk mainly of their cultural mix:

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Nikola Theodossiev
Celtic Settlement in North-Western Thrace during the Late Fourth and Third
Centuries BC: Some Historical and Archaeological Notes*
North-western Thrace is a specific region of the northern Balkans that was
inhabited by various tribal communities of Thracians, Illyrians and Celts who
played important roles in the history and culture of south-eastern Europe during the
first millennium BC. Geographically, the ancient region of Thrace covers modern
north-western Bulgaria and eastern Serbia, while the most powerful tribal
community that emerged in the fifth century BC was known as the Triballi who
were Thracian people well described in various Greek and Roman historical
sources (for a detailed study on the whole region see: Theodossiev 2000). The early
Celtic settlement in this part of ancient Thrace has been always a controversial
question examined by different scholars since the first decades of the twentieth
century. Some recent detailed studies have thrown additional light on the whole
problem (Megaw et al. 2000; Megaw 2004; Theodossiev 2000: 82-100) and the
following paper is offered in honour of Zenon Woźniak, an international scholar of
the highest reputation who has been for many years deeply involved in European
Iron Age studies and who is the author of a number of seminal studies of the
eastern zone of La Tène culture (Woźniak 1974; 1976).
Various historical records and archaeological finds of the early Hellenistic
Age provide us with options for considering the presence of Celts in north-western
Thrace and their interaction with local tribal communities. The earliest contacts are
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evidenced in Arrianus (Anab. I 4, 6-8) and Strabo (VII 3, 8) who testify that Celts
from the Adriatic coast attended the armistice and alliance agreements concluded
between the Triballian king Syrmos and Alexander the Great in 335 BC (see also
Bouzek and Guštin in this volume). During the negotiations, which took place in
the territory of the Triballi, the Celts affirmed their vows of friendship and
hospitality before the Macedonian king and presumably at precisely that time they
established first diplomatic contacts with Triballi (for a compilation of the ancient
records see: Katsarov 1919; Cunliffe 1997: 79-80; Megaw 2004; Theodossiev
2000: 81-82; see also discussion of the nature of ancient literary sources concerning
Celts in: Dobesch 1991; Rankin 1995).
Any reconstruction of contacts and relations, including gifts exchange,
between Celts and Triballi during the last decades of the fourth and the very
beginning of the third century BC, or, in contrast, supposed military conflicts and
invasion, does find some support in the scanty archaeological finds available. Such
is the golden Celtic neckring or torc (Fig. 1), unearthed by chance near Gorni
Tsibar, a village situated close to the southern bank of the Danube in north-western
Bulgaria (Theodossiev 2000: 116, cat. no. 84 with op. cit., fig. 90; cf Wells 1995
for the possible range of methods of distribution of valuable objects). The torc dates
to the end of the fourth or beginning of the third century BC and finds good
parallels among a number of La Tène B1/B2 neckrings discovered in other parts of
Iron Age Europe (Jacobsthal 1969: 170, no. 46; Megaw and Megaw 2001: 119
ill.168; Moscati et al. 1991: 712: no. 129; more recently see also: Megaw 2004). It
is known that the torc was considered as a sacred object and symbol of high social
status among the Celts (Green 1992: 211-212). Unfortunately, as far as the Gorni
Tsibar neckring is concerned, there is no reliable information on the find
circumstances or its archaeological context. Therefore, it is only speculation to
consider that the torc originally formed part of a Celtic burial or ritual deposit and
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thus could be related to a presumed ethnic presence of Celts in that region of
Thrace. However, such a presence during the late fourth and early third century BC
is not supported by any surviving historical record. Since the torc may alternatively
come from a Thracian funeral or other ritual context, it is possible to assume that
the precious object was a political gift, offered by some Gaulish chieftain to an
unknown Triballian aristocrat during the course of negotiations. One may go
further and hypothesise that similar contacts accompanied the first expansion of
Celtic tribal groups towards the central Balkans during the last decades of the
fourth century BC, as well as during their settlement on the western fringes of
north-western Thrace, in the Morava river valley, previously controlled by the
Illyrian tribe of the Autariatai. Of course, the Gorni Tsibar torc might be also
interpreted as booty, related to the victory of Cassander over the Galatae, which
took place in the area of the west Balkan range c. 310 or c. 298 BC (Frey, Szabó
1991: 481 who suggest a relationship between the torc and this historical event).
From the first decades of the third century BC the territory of the Triballi
became a marginal zone of the Hellenistic world and during the late 280s and 270s
BC indigenous tribal communities faced a well-organized Celtic military invasion
(on this incursion and the political history of the region see: Katsarov 1919;
Polaschek 1937; Mócsy 1966; Gerov 1967; 1969 with historical sources; Danov
1975-1976; Papazoglu 1978: 52-57, 272-278; 1988; Domaradski 1984; Tacheva
1987: 27-48; Hammond 1989: 298-301; Frey, Szabó 1991; Garašanin 1996;
Lazarov 1996; Theodossiev 2000: 82-92; Megaw 2004). However, the great Celtic
inrush into north-western Thrace was preceded by military pressure on its western
periphery and incursions leading towards the central Balkans, incursions that had
already begun in the last decades of the fourth century BC, when, c. 313 BC, the
Gauls conquered the Illyrian Autariatae and banished part of them. Soon after that
conquest, in 310 BC — or possibly 298 BC — the Macedonian general Cassander
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defeated the Celts somewhere in the west Balkan range, presumably in the territory
of the Triballi as mentioned above. Supposedly at the same time, military
detachments of Gauls, led by Cambaules, reached the borders of Thrace but did not
have the courage to invade it.
While the gold torc from Gorni Tsibar may not testify with complete
certainty to military conflicts or to a Celtic enclave in north-western Thrace during
the late fourth or beginning of the third century BC, the conquest of the Autariatae
c. 313 BC and Celtic settlement in the Morava river valley are well evidenced with
archaeological material. Thus, the investigation of the flat cemetery in the region of
Pecine near Kostolac, a town situated in the lower Morava valley and close to the
Danube, in north-eastern Serbia, provides a good illustration of the ethnic changes
that occurred in the region (Jovanović 1984, 1985, 1991; Theodossiev 2000: 120-
121, cat. no. 113 with full bibliography). A number of Celtic cremation and
inhumation graves, the earliest dating to the end of the fourth or beginning of the
third centuries BC, are situated around the nine earliest graves, presumably
belonging to the Autariatae and dated to the second half of the fourth century BC.
These are located in the centre of the cemetery (on possible ethnic identification of
the earliest burials see: Theodossiev 2000: 40-41). The continuity observable on
this burial site clearly indicates that the new Celtic settlers did not annihilate the
Autariataec community but that they assimilated with the indigenous population
and presumably mixed ethnically with it (Jovanović 1985, 1992). Therefore, it is
possible to assume that from the end of the fourth century BC onwards, the Morava
River valley and the regions located to the east turned into a Celto-Illyro-Thracian
interaction zone (Theodossiev 2000: 98-100).
The major and well-organized Celtic military invasion into Thrace,
Macedonia and Greece occurred at the very end of the 280s BC. Using as a base the
already conquered territories of the Autariatae in the central Balkans, in 280 BC the
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Gauls led by Cerethrius prepared themselves to fight against the Triballi and the
remaining Thracians, Brennus and Acichorius against Paeonia, and Bolgios/Bulgius
against Macedonia and Illyria (Pausanias X 19, 7). At the end of the same year or in
the next one, Bolgius defeated the Macedonian army and killed Ptolemy Ceraunos.
In 279 BC, Brennus— possibly not a historical character — began a campaign
against Delphi; the Celtic detachments on their way south devastated the Dardani,
neighbours to the south-west of the Triballi. At the same time, those Gauls who
were left by Brennus to guard their tribal borders, enlisted 3000 horsemen and 15
000 foot-soldiers to form an army which defeated the Triballi and the Getae, who
seem unsuccessfully to have tried to push out the invaders (Iustinus XXV 1, 2-3).
In the same year, 279 BC, after the complete defeat of the Celts during the
campaign against Delphi and Brennus’s suicide, some of the surviving Gauls took
the way back led by Bathanattus (later the route was named the ‘Way of
Bathanattus’) and in 278 BC part of them, the so-called Scordisci, settled the lands
between Sava, Danube and Morava rivers (Polybius I 6, 4; Iustinus XXIV 4, 8,
XXXII 3, 6-8; Posidonius frg. 48J; Athenaeus VI 25, p. 234 a-b). The new
Scordiscan settlers completely overran the local Autariatae and formed a powerful
tribal alliance that played an important rôle, both politically and military, in the
north Balkans until the end of the first century BC (Garašanin 1966, 1996;
Todorović 1974; Papazoglu 1978; Jovanović, Popović 1991). Also in 279 BC,
another part of the Celtic forces, who survived the defeat at Delphi, led by
Comontorios established a tribal state in Thrace with its capital called Tylis,
presumably located in the region of Byzantium, where another group of Gauls
under the leadership of Leonorius and Loutorius had already settled after they had
separated from Brennus during the march through Dardania. The Gaulish tribal
state established in this way expanded gradually and reached the Balkan range to
the north but was destroyed by the Thracians in 213 BC (recent study in: Lazarov
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1996). In 277 BC, Antigonus Gonatas defeated the Gaulish army in a great battle
near Lysimacheia, close to the Thracian Chersonese. Thus, he ended the period of
Celtic invasion and plundering.
The early settlement of the Scordisci on the western periphery of northwestern
Thrace, that is, in the lands to the east of the Morava, is not well
documented in the ancient sources. Strabo (VII 5, 11) provides vague information
on the Triballi being conquered by the Autariatae, and one possible interpretation of
this text is that both tribal groups were defeated by the newly settled Scordisci in
278 BC (Papazoglu 1978: 53). This interpretation finds some support in Appianus
(Illyr. 3) who notes that after the Scordisci defeated the Triballi, the latter withdrew
beyond the Danube towards the territory of the Getae. Strabo (VII 3, 13) also
describes similar movements of the Getae to the south of the Danube, due to the
military pressure from the Scythians, Bastarnae and Sauromatae, while on the other
hand, the Triballi, threatened by Illyrians (most likely the Scordisci: Papazoglu
1978: 54-55), escaped to the north of Danube. Unfortunately, the ancient records
cannot be placed in a reliable chronological framework (Papazoglu 1978: 54). Most
likely, these military confrontations occurred in the 270s and 260s BC, not long
after the Triballi had been defeated for the first time by the Brennus’s Celts in 279
BC, and when the Scordisci led by Bathanattus had already settled between the
Morava and Sava rivers (Garašanin 1996). The Triballian tribes, who had escaped
across the Danube, presumably inhabited the region immediately to the east of the
Morava, where the Little Scordisci were certainly located during the second and
first centuries BC. During the second quarter of the third century BC the Triballian
tribal community, after it had experienced the effects of the devastating Celtic
invasion, certainly lost forever political control of the peripheral western area.
A number of archaeological finds may be interpreted as a proof of the fluid
political situation within north-western Thrace due to the Gaulish invasion and the
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following conflicts with the newly settled Scordisci. In primary position is the
remarkable silver treasure from Rogozen, which most likely was hidden as a result
of military threat. If so, the latest vessels, dated to the end of the fourth century and
first decades of the third century BC, testify that the hoard was buried in the period
of the great Celtic invasion of 280 BC (Theodossiev 2000: 135, cat. no. 196).
About eleven separate hoards, consisting of early Hellenistic gold and silver coins,
are known from north-western Thrace and presumably most of these were also
hidden during the turbulent events of 270s and 260s BC when the Triballian tribes
had been defeated by the Gauls and the Scordisci (Theodossiev 2000: 84, 101 and
List).
The ancient sources describing Celtic incursions are well supported by other
archaeological finds. In 1959, an iron La Tène C1 sword with fragmentary
decorated scabbard (Fig. 2a, b) was found in a funerary pyre, during excavation of
the Kopanata Mogila tumulus at c. 2 km to the north of Pavolche, a village situated
near the town of Vratsa in north-western Bulgaria (Nikolov 1965: 179-181;
Theodossiev 2000: 143, cat. no. 248; Megaw et al. 2000). The tumulus belongs to a
barrow cemetery consisting of six small mounds located close to the South of the
Vrats-Mezdra road. Although the decorated sword scabbard has been previously
considered in a number of prior publications (Woźniak 1974: 46-95, fig. 9: 6, 190,
list II, no. 109), only recently has a detailed study provided a complete analysis of
the find and in particular the decorated scabbard. The scabbard design, which most
probably is derived from the dragon- or bird-pair motifs, may be compared with a
number of decorated scabbards and swords known in Slovenia, Croatia and
Transdanubia, a style which spread throughout Iron Age Europe in La Tène B and
C; undoubtedly, the Pavolche sword is a Celtic product (Megaw et al. 2000;
Megaw 2004). Rather than an occasional import or status-enhancing gift or booty
belonging to a deceased Triballian warrior, it might be suggested that the Pavolche
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sword might be evidence of a Scordiscan intruder buried in the mound some time
around 270-200 BC. However, the funerary rite and grave construction — a pyre
within a tumulus — evidenced by the Pavolche barrows is entirely typical of the
Triballi during the Hellenistic period and is not known among the Scordisci
(Theodossiev 2000: 29-31, 44-45); moreover, almost all grave goods found at
Pavolche are of Thracian origin. Therefore, having in mind that there is not a single
historical record testifying to Celtic settlement in the eastern part of north-western
Thrace during the third century BC, and given that all sources describe a period of
invasion and conflict, and moreover, that at present there are no excavated graves in
the region that can be regarded as typically Celtic (cf Theodossiev 2000: 25-48),
one may conclude that the Pavolche sword was most likely booty or a gift buried
within a Triballian funerary context. Of course, one may not exclude the probability
that some Gaulish (that is, Scordiscan) ethnic enclaves existed in the region during
the third century BC (cf Zirra 1976; Tacheva-Hitova 1978; for Celtic enclaves in
north-eastern Thrace: Lazarov 1996). Following from this, any Celts who may have
settled among the indigenous Triballi would have been assimilated and adopted
Thracian funerary customs. In any case, the Pavolche sword scabbard reflects the
complex and often violent interactions and the dynamic relationship between Celts
and Thracians in a period of war, invasion and ethnic changes.
Another curious object, which may suggest contacts and interaction between
the Scordisci and Triballi, is a small inscribed cult relief (Fig. 3a-c), a chance find
most likely from western Bulgaria and currently located in the National Museum of
Archaeology, Sofia (Manov 1993; Theodossiev 2000: 58, fig. 155). The carved
stone illustrates well the religious beliefs of the Scordisci who obviously worshiped
Epona, the tribal ancestor-god and the warrior hero. Since the object comes from no
clear archaeological context and lacks exact parallels among Celtic cult reliefs, it is
not easy to provide a precise dating for the piece; only the inscription gives some
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support for a third century BC date (Manov 1993). The ritual function of the object
is also unknown but carved stones displaying various imagery were widely used in
Celtic cult practices (Cunliffe 1992; 1997; Green 1986; 1992; 1995: 466-468;
Megaw and Megaw 2001; Moscati et al. 1991). While the ritual purpose is obscure,
the understanding of the figures carved on the Sofia object seems to be relatively
clear. On the one side of the relief, there is a mare, which in this particular case
might be interpreted as a hippomorphic personification of Epona, the Celtic horsegoddess
(Green 1986: 91-94, 173-174; 1992: 90-92; 1995: 479). Epona was known
as a deity of fertility and prosperity but she was also associated with beliefs
relevant to death and the underworld. The other side of the carved stone shows a
man in a fight to the death with an enormous snake. Most probably, this is a
representation of the tribal warrior-chieftain and hero, presumably regarded as a
mythical ancestor and represented in a moment of heroic confrontation, fighting a
chthonic reptile (cf. Green 1986: 185-186; 1992: 194-195 on the healing, chthonic,
fertility, protection and evil associations of the snake in the Celtic cults). In Irish
mythology, the warrior chief Finn mac Cumhaill kills great water snakes, while the
Ulster hero Conall Cernach is recorded as overcoming an enormous snake which
guards a treasure (Green 1992: 64-65, 98-99, 194-195). On the edge of the Sofia
relief, a second snake is depicted together with a male facing to the front
contiguous to a short incised inscription – ΣΚΟΡΔΟ (= genitive: ‘belonging to
Scordus’). It is beyond any doubt that this is the image of the tribal eponym and
ancestor-god Scordus, attested as Scordiscus in the sources (Appianus, Illyr. 2).
Although the fighting scene between the Scordiscan warrior hero and the snake
finds good parallels in later Insular Celtic myths, an alternative reading would be
that the imagery was influenced by the Delphic dragon-slaying myth concerning the
fight between Apollo and Python. In such a case, it is possible even to assume a
Graeco-Celtic religious syncretism and to suggest that the carved cult stone was
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produced after the failed Gaulish campaign against Delphi in 279 BC. As discussed
above, this event was of crucial importance for the establishment of the Scordiscan
tribal community and its later political development. It is interesting that the cult
relief is the first monument, which displays the use of Greek script by Scordisci in
the Hellenistic period.
A number of historical records of the late second and first centuries BC reinforce
the earlier evidence on multilateral interaction and relationship, clearly testifying
that the Scordisci inhabited the western regions of north-western Thrace and were
there intermingled with Thracians and Illyrians. Ammianus Marcellinus (XXVII 4,
4) mentions that the Scordisci occupied part of Thrace while Strabo (VII 5, 12)
specifies that the Great Scordisci lived between the Noaros (present-day Sava or
Drava) and the Morava rivers, while the Little Scordisci inhabited lands to the east
of the Morava in the neighborhood of the Triballi and Moesi (for the distribution of
the Scordisci in the Hellenistic age see: Papazoglu 1978: 354-389). Moreover, both
archaeological finds and historical sources testify that during the late Hellenistic
period the Little Scordisci became ethnically intermingled with the indigenous
Autariatae and Triballian tribes in the Morava valley and further to the east; this led
to syncretic ethnic and cultural processes and turned the region into a Celto-Illyro-
Thracian interaction zone (Garašanin 1957, 1966; Todorović 1966; Zirra 1976;
Jovanović 1992; Theodossiev 2000: 85-92, 98-100; Gerov 1967). The co-existence
of different tribes and their ethnic mixing are clearly evidenced by Strabo (VII 3, 2
et 11; VII 5, 1-2), who describes Scordisci crossed with Thracians and Illyrians and
writes of Thracians mixed with Celts and Scythians, obviously having in mind
north-eastern Thrace and the regions to the north of the Danube. Presumably, it is
due to these reasons that other ancient authors, when they describe Celtic ferocity,
also identify the Scordisci with the Thracians, (Iulius Florus, Epitom. de T. Liv. I 39
et III 4; Rufius Festus IX; Orosius, Hist. adv. pag. V 23, 17-19; Iordanes, Rom.
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219). As discussed above, the Celtic flat cemetery at Kostolac clearly indicates
ethnic change and assimilation, which occurred at the end of the fourth century and
into the first decades of the third centuries BC, before the region fell under the
political control of the Scordisci during the 270s BC. Therefore, it is possible to
suppose that the historical sources, describing the localization of the Little
Scordisci and the ethnic mixing between Celts, Thracians and Illyrians during the
late second and first centuries BC, may reflect earlier events at the time of the great
Gaulish invasion, which was to have so strong an impact and to change for ever
certain parts of the early Hellenistic world.
Dr. Nikola Theodossiev
Department of Archaeology
Sofia University St. Kliment Ohridski
Bul. Tsar Osvoboditel 15
Sofia 1504, Bulgaria

Culture groups for EBII:

Furthermore, from what I have found, I have several ideas concerning ethnicities available to the Scordisci:
Illyrian, Scordisci, Thracian, Gallo-Thracian, Celt-Hellenic, and mixes of Illyrians with Thracians and/or mixes of Celts with Illyrians.

Military:

In game the faction already has a heavy infatry unit to represent the celtic ruling class, and for EBII the faction could field Illirian troops from their subjects and Thracian troops from across the river morava.

Politics:

Their diplomatic relations would be neutral to all other factions (maybe allied with the Boii to prevent them from killing each other at the begining of the game) with bad relations with Macedon, KH and Getai as their kin razed much of their territory during the previous decade
Their political organization wasn't a kingdom but instead something like the Aedui: a union of tribes ruled by a celtic elite oligarchy.

Their start city would be offcourse Singidunum, and I think their victory conditions should be the whole balkan peninsula (Greece, Macedon, Epirus, Thracia, etc), Illiria, Dacia (to prevent future conquest coming from Getae), Mikra Skythia and Celtic controled Anatolia (Galatia).

Sources:
http://www.caorc.org/programs/mellon...heodossiev.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autariatae
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Scordisci

Thanks for reading it.
Nerva

[Mediolanicus]

Good work, but I do detect some minor inconsistencies.

They were formed after 278 BC, as some of the survivors of the Celtic invasions of Greece settled the abovementioned region imposing themselves as a thin, yet powerful, ruling class.

The tribes of Autariatae and the Celtic Scordisci are thought to have merged into one in the Lower Morava valley, Serbia, after 313 BC[.]

Which seems to imply that they arrived after merging with local tribes and leaving burials in the area?

[moonburn]

i don´t wanna kill your dreams but factions i believe where picked over 2 years ago so if the scordiscii ain´t already in this threat is too litle too late imho

and i believe that this new version of eb comes in with 2 new celtic tribes (arevaci in iberia and the boii in bohemia) even possibly a kelto germanic tribe to represent the belgiums so to add in the scordascii to this it would make the game too celticized (altough as i said maybe they can be one of the new factions that weren´t presented yet )

the main reason why i don´t think they´ll be in ? the region is 2 crowded with the epirotes kh makedonians getai and now boii and ofc there´s always the possibility of the luigians being another faction

[TheSleepyOne]

Good job! I enjoyed the reading. Keep it up.

But I'll have to agree with Moonburn - I don't think the region can handle another fraction. That having been said, I wouldn't reject another celtic fraction. I mean, who doesn't like celts?

[stratigos vasilios]

I would definately enjoy another faction in the Balkans. This must have taken some time and I will be very interested in the EB team remarks.

Just a question (kind of off topic), did you find a greater amount of sources for the Scordisci but minimal or limited ones for the Triballi?

[bobbin]

Good work, but I do detect some minor inconsistencies.

The first two parts are a straight copy of the wikipedia page which is probably how that happened.

I'd recommend going through the bibliography and reading the sources of the Theodossiev paper if you want to constuct a proper faction proposal,as it stands there is not much to go on here.

ps concerning character names

From the Theodossiev paper.

some of the surviving Gauls took the way back led by Bathanattus (later the route was named the ‘Way of Bathanattus’) and in 278 BC part of them, the so-called Scordisci, settled the lands
between Sava, Danube and Morava rivers (Polybius I 6, 4; Iustinus XXIV 4, 8,
XXXII 3, 6-8; Posidonius frg. 48J; Athenaeus VI 25, p. 234 a-b).

thats one potential one already.

[paullus]

as for space, look at the regional map. Scorcouw is actually in a relatively open region.

[moonburn]

this was suposed to be a quote from thesleepyone ...

romans don´t :\

Paullos even so not for long and if you played against the getai you know you´re going to get in trouble and soon enough the region will be flooded with everyone with half a brain running for the mines in dalmatia et the rest (assuming the stratmap ai as half a brain ofc) epirotes makedonians getai boii romans kh (?)

[Moros]

this was suposed to be a quote from thesleepyone ...

romans don´t :\

Paullos even so not for long and if you played against the getai you know you´re going to get in trouble and soon enough the region will be flooded with everyone with half a brain running for the mines in dalmatia et the rest (assuming the stratmap ai as half a brain ofc) epirotes makedonians getai boii romans kh (?)

The AI don't have brains and really don't even consider mines, and if they would swarm to this region the more contact the possible faction would have and the more interesting its campaign.

[Maeran]

Yes interesting certainly. But I don't think there's a lot of space even initially with the Getai to the east, the newly announced Boii to the northwest, and the Epirotes and Macedonians to the south east. IMO the Sordiscii are better off as a Boii ethinicity

[WinsingtonIII]

I think there's enough room in the area for another faction. If the EB2 Getai AI is anything like the EB1 Getai AI, it won't be all that expansionistic. Plus, you have all of Illyria to conquer if the Epeirotes don't go north (which they don't always do). And the Boii are a bit further north, aren't they?

That said, this isn't one of the truly empty regions that really could use a faction, like further north in Eastern Europe/the Baltic (but unfortunately there's next to no information on that area), or Belgica (nudge nudge to the EB team...).