What would you like to see in shogun2 Totalwar Multiplayer?

[Tomisama]

And as a sidenote: I have yet to hear how a non-mirrored map can be 100% balanced.

(I am not sure 100% was in the origional question.)

Every feature on a map has negative and positive strategic values relative to the deployments involved.

As long as those values equal out for both opponents; the map can be considered balanced without necessarily being mirrored.

The major unbalancing is usually unequal height in deployment zones, or quicker access to positions of height advantage for one side or the other.

But this is only related to units with height advantage attributes, and I am not sure that we have that any more.


Several people above have mentioned that the simplest solution to any perceptions of imbalance is to swap sides, so I did not think your question went unanswered.

Thought certainly not a perfect, as it may present the need for a tie breaker, we have used it for seven years now with no complaints.


I’m no ebunny either; but do understand an ounce of inspiration will accomplish more than a pound of criticism.

But I now see your comment in a different light, thank you for explaining

[Shibumi]

Some players prefer perfect balance. So why not toss in a couple of maps on their behalf? If you do not like mirrored maps, you can just not play them. I for one would fight most battles on more normal maps for the strategic challenge, however, the E-sporter in my would also like some completely fair maps.

The two-match system is fine, as an addition. Just like mirrored maps would be an addition. It is not a fully functional system though. Partly because time is a factor, and not everyone want to play two matches in a row all the time (I often pop in and play one match to clear my head before I continue with work, would not want to be forced to sit out two). Also, if you dont like th opponent you might not want to be stuck with him for yet another match all the time.

There is an old saying: Your current problem is caused by your current way of thinking.

Thus I would argue against something being good just because it has been used for 7 years, get my point?

Why not acomodate both E-sporters who want to pop in quickly for a fast ladder match on a 100% balanced map, as well as desktop generals who want to duke it out on random maps over a series of games :)

It would not take much to implement all of this suggested, and the more options available, the better, imho.

[Tomisama]

There is an old saying: Your current problem is caused by your current way of thinking.

Thus I would argue against something being good just because it has been used for 7 years, get my point?

Just to be clear, I can see now that we are talking apples and oranges.

You are talking about pop in games and ladders, where mirror maps would definitely be the thing to use, and I certainly think that they "should" and "will" be made available.

What I am talking about is 4v4 and now 3v3 Clan “team” competitions. These teams practice for weeks ahead of time for a single match, and can be involved in contests that take over six months to complete.

Our competition is all about teamwork tested under different terrain conditions, and against the teamwork skills of other Clan teams from around the world.

There are many singles and doubles competitions offered for your enjoyment, and I would certainly encourage and indorse those style of contests. But that is not what we offer, not what I was talking about.

[Shibumi]

Tomisama, fair enough :)

I guess we reached some sort of concensus then...

If the game holds up, I would also be interested in games such as the ones you describe. Let us hope CA choose to make the MP-scene as diverse as possible!




PS: PHEW, thanks for the correction about the 40 units being different unit types, not meaning you can control up to 40 units on the battle field. As mentioned, my brain ached at the very thought ;)