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[Fragony]

I believe it's ethnic, the schizm was because the bloodline of Muhamed died with Ali, so the next rulers weren't accepted. Wahibi are hardcore arab supremacists, salafists are much more broadly defined.(sorry if I got it wrong it's very complicated stuff)

[al Roumi]

I believe it's ethnic, the schizm was because the bloodline of Muhamed died with Ali, so the next rulers weren't accepted.

That's the Sunni/Shia split.

[Edit:] which is analogous to the Catholic/Orthodox schism in the Christian faith.

Wahibi are hardcore arab supremacists, salafists are much more broadly defined.

No, Wahabi/Salafi is a question of perspective: no-one will self determine themselves as Wahabi, they would call themselves Salafist. Wahabi is a term for those who are not, to refer to those who call themselves Salafis.

The term Salafism is sometimes used interchangeably with "Wahhabism". Adherents usually reject this term because it is considered derogatory and because they believe that Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab did not establish a new school of thought but revived the original teachings of Muhammad as was practiced by his companions and the earliest generations of Muslims. Salafis will never self-describe themselves as "Wahabis." Nonetheless, modern-day Salafis do regard Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab as a great Islamic scholar and reformer, a fact that is confirmed by their close adherence to his doctrinal teachings. It is claimed that adherents of Salafi movements describe themselves as Muwahidoon, Ahl al-Hadith,[6] or Ahl at-Tawheed.[7] However, the most common appellation is for Salafis to simply refer to themselves as Salafis.

Sauce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

(sorry if I got it wrong it's very complicated stuff)

The conclusions you draw are quite serious, so it would be better for all if you didn't say the first thing that came into your head.

[Fragony]

I know about the schism thankyouvermuch, didn't I bring it up, just because I'm an idiot doesn't mean I'm uneducated.

But you can't become a wahhibi if you aren't arab, it's a racial thing. Wiki isn't always right, there were 5 good kalif's for example, not 4 like wiki says.

[al Roumi]

I know about the schism thankyouvermuch, didn't I bring it up, just because I'm an idiot doesn't mean I'm uneducated.

Sorry but a) the schism isn't relevant, b) some of your views have rather serious consequences and I'd hope one wouldn't make statements without having a firm grasp of the subject matter. But then this is teh internet.

But you can't become a wahhibi if you aren't arab, it's a racial thing. Wiki isn't always right, there were 5 good kalif's for example, not 4 like wiki says.

Yes Wiki can be wrong all the time. I'm not aware that you have to be Arab to be a Salafist, there are plenty of converts to Islam who are not Arab and who become Salafists. (Many converts are more hard-line than people who have grown up with Islam, as is the case with Christianity) - as Lemur's post yesterday states.

[Fragony]

The schism IS relevant, because it's ethic in nature, bloodline. You will find plenty of salafists in dark Africa and Indonesia, hardore islamists but that's it. There is your mixup of definitions. And I said wahhibi, read.

And my views lol to that, who do you prefer, me or these EDL donkeys who understand nothing about what they are howling at.

[al Roumi]

The schism IS relevant, because it's ethic in nature, bloodline. You will find plenty of salafists in dark Africa and Indonesia, hardore islamists but that's it. There is your mixup of definitions. And I said wahhibi, read.

eh? I've just posted two things, including copypasted text, that says Salafism = Wahhabism, although no-one who is a salafi will call themselves a Wahabi, as they consider it a derogatory term.

Edit:

And the schism is between Sunni and Shia forms of Islam. Salafists are hardline Sunnis, so they have a dislike of Shia forms of the religion. AlQaida, hate Shias and most attacks in Iraq by AQ are along sectarian, sunni/shia divides.

Whether sunni/shia is also an ethnic division is possible, as certain tribes/ethnicity follow different religious practices.

And my views lol to that, who do you prefer, me or these EDL donkeys who understand nothing about what they are howling at.

With as much respect as I can muster, I don't feel you are doing a good job of distancing yourself from EDL types with respect to either howling or "understanding".

[Fragony]

No it's bloodline, Ali was the last of it, Ali was assasinated and the main capital became damascus, I am sure you can find a similar eventsomewhere.

And the suggestion that I like EDL is kinda offenive