Islamic group to build mosque adjacent to ground zero

[Lemur]

Lemur I don't give a crap about ordinay muslims only about the extremists.

But by casting an over-broad definition of "extremists" you give hope, comfort and aid to the salafists. See my earlier note about "useful idiots"; you are in grave danger of being one. Just because a rightwing masturblog screams that someone is a secret terrorist doesn't make it so. Your sources suck.

Meanwhile, it's nice to see politicans making hay while the sun shines:

[Fragony]

You suck, you demand something, and dodge when you get it.

[Lemur]

You suck, you demand something, and dodge when you get it.

Excuse me? I responded. Perhaps you missed the post.

Again, most of your paranoid, rambling, poorly-sourced, ranting sources are from single author. The author is problematic. Her theories are not substantiated or repeated anywhere but on the paranoid rightwing blogs. Echo chamber much?

You are taking the rantings of a pro-Israeli rightwing extremist who only publishes in niche political tracts as gospel truth. Were a leftwinger doing the same in an argument with you, I have little doubt how dismissive you would be.

[Fragony]

Excuse me? I responded. Perhaps you missed the post.

Again, most of your paranoid, rambling, poorly-sourced, ranting sources are from single author. The author is problematic. Her theories are not substantiated or repeated anywhere but on the paranoid rightwing blogs. Echo chamber much?

You are taking the rantings of a pro-Israeli rightwing extremist who only publishes in niche political tracts as gospel truth. Were a leftwinger doing the same in an argument with you, I have little doubt how dismissive you would be.

I am wut lol, I thought asumptions were bad

[Crazed Rabbit]

But by casting an over-broad definition of "extremists" you give hope, comfort and aid to the salafists. See my earlier note about "useful idiots"; you are in grave danger of being one. Just because a rightwing masturblog screams that someone is a secret terrorist doesn't make it so. Your sources suck.

Meanwhile, it's nice to see politicans making hay while the sun shines:

I hate eminent domain, especially it's abuse. I now want this man to lose the election.

CR

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

But by casting an over-broad definition of "extremists" you give hope, comfort and aid to the salafists. See my earlier note about "useful idiots"; you are in grave danger of being one. Just because a rightwing masturblog screams that someone is a secret terrorist doesn't make it so. Your sources suck.

Meanwhile, it's nice to see politicans making hay while the sun shines:

Did you see the article from the Telegraph where Quillian labled Cordoba House "Islamist"?

[Lemur]

Did you see the article from the Telegraph where Quillian labled Cordoba House "Islamist"?

Linky would be way cool.

[Fragony]

Linky cherrypicing so why do you want them, meanwhile a sound response from the people I supposedly condemn http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mi...303/story.html

Author doesn't know his religion very well, 'fitna' means 'cause' or 'struggle' in arab but message is clear, don't let him down.
Your reality doesn't exist, this is much worse than anything happening anywhere in Europe. With lightning speed you will lose everything. Your society doesn't have any ideological barricades, if you think you are being reasonable you are making a huge mistake.

[Lemur]

Linky cherrypicing so why do you want them

Well, when someone opens a post saying "did you see," it's natural to want to see.

As for the Ottowa Citizen essay, I think the authors are clearer on the definition of fitna than you. Further, while they disapprove of the mosque, they bring no hard evidence to the table. The contention that Feisal Abdul Rauf is an extremist/jihadist/salafist stands unfounded, especially given the people who actually know the main and say he is a moderate. The sources you have provided do nothing to support your vision of Rauf as a seditious invader.

As for how America will "lose everything," well, would you care to give a timeframe for that prediction? It's all very easy and fun to predict the end of civilization, but unless you're willing to give it a schedule it's just hot air.

[al Roumi]

Here's the economist's analysis:

Build that mosque: The campaign against the proposed Cordoba centre in New York is unjust and dangerous

And Lemur, were it not completely inappropriate to use a word like this in this context, i'd call you a crusader. Although I fear your heroic efforts may prove quixotic...

[PanzerJaeger]

Bonus question: Where were you hyperventilating alarmists when they built the Islamic prayer room in the other 9/11 target, the Pentagon?

I wonder if the Hassan incident has caused any critical reassessment of this. We've seen what happens when the military bends over to placate the Muslims. Real Americans get shot to death.

Here's the economist's analysis:

Build that mosque: The campaign against the proposed Cordoba centre in New York is unjust and dangerous

I don't appreciate the intellectual blackmail in which the authors are engaging. 'Build the Mosque or you'll radicalize your Muslims.' Our judgments on what is appropriate and what is not should not be held hostage to the ever-present threat of crazy Muslims waiting for a reason to radicalize.


Anyway, is there any truth to the accusation that this Imam Rauf refuses to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist organization?

[Fragony]

As for how America will "lose everything," well, would you care to give a timeframe for that prediction? It's all very easy and fun to predict the end of civilization, but unless you're willing to give it a schedule it's just hot air.

Fast at least, you cannot rely on your government to protect you from it either way, they are already in your goverment. Look at England and their labour party, completely infiltrated.

Brussels Belgium, but any European city really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0 France at least now realises the crap they are in, state of war